[lbo-talk] trash talking the lumpenproletariat

Bill Bartlett billbartlett at aapt.net.au
Thu Nov 9 23:53:28 PST 2006


At 9:18 PM -0800 9/11/06, Angelus Novus wrote:


>Assuming you two have never visited the economically
>depressed eastern half of Germany, you simply can't be
>expected to "get" what kind of people Steingart is
>referring to.

Nope, never visited those parts. Though unless the people there belong to a separate species I can't imagine they are much different to the people I know. I made no judgement about these "kind of people", rather I was judging this Steingart character. I've come across his sort closer to home as well.


>But I expect two fine, cosmopolitan leftist fellows
>like yourself are open to educating yourselves. Here
>are some keywords you might wish to Google whenever
>you have some spare time:

Cosmopolitan? You have me mixed up with someone else. Me lumpenproletariat mate.


>Rostock-Lichtenhagen
>
>Gollwitz
>
>Postlow
>
>NPD+Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
>
>NPD+Sachsen
>
>Bill Bartlett's naive idealization of the underclass
>is pure white-skin privilege in practice. My sympathy
>for people ceases when they start doing things like
>burning down asylum homes or beating up immigrants.

I haven't advocated any of that, or even defended it.

It isn't about me, or even about your local lumpens. Its about the sinister propaganda being put about by your mate Steingart. Frankly, I find it demeaning to go into specifics. But since you insist on defending the little turd, I suppose I must. What really got to me was his claim that the European "underclass" enjoys an all too comfortable material existence on welfare and all they needed was to be put to work, to inspire a bit of motivation. Reminded me of an earlier slogan - "work will make you free". A lot of the other stuff was in the same vein. It also echoes the slogans of the actual neo-nazis in Gernamy - "if we get power, every German will have work." Yeah right, sometimes in camps dedicated to the purpose no doubt. We remember. If you want to oppose the neo-nazis, you need to start by questioning their basic premises, which this moron Steingart refuses to do. As a result, he seems inclined to finish up at the same destination, albeit by a more circuitous route.

In all honesty, I think I prefer the propaganda of those who openly advocate the jack-boot, outright punitive measures against the "underclass". At least you know what you're up against.

Bill Bartlett Bracknell Tas



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