Jesse Lemisch
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Monroe" <idoru345 at yahoo.com> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: [lbo-talk] Ellen Willis dies
> Jesse:
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> ...there has been hideous rant here, over-the-top
> stuff. Can you imagine a couple of hours decent
> interval before the rant? This stuff is hurtful to
> whole communities, though clearly not to the LBO
> community.
>
> ..............
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> Let's review the record, available online here -
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> tiny url - http://tinyurl.com/usqq2
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> Doug:
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> <snip> She was a cranky, difficult person with an
> unfortunate Zionist streak, but she was very talented
> and smart. It's sad to see her go.
>
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> Dennis Perrin:
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> <snip> She was very friendly and supportive. Good
> thing the panel wasn't about Israel and the
> Palestinians. I
> doubt the good vibes would've lasted past the opening
> remarks.
>
> Bitch:
>
> <snip> Trying to get mainstream feminists interested
> in her work, particularly when she cremates the notion
> that you can buy / dress/ personally behave your way
> to revolution is like banging your head against a
> concrete wall.
>
>
> Now here's where the trouble actually starts and where
> the focus shifted from Ellis' work and life to the
> evil of LBO vs. the virtue of Jesse.
>
>
> Jesse:
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> What a kvetchy announcement, Doug! Can we locate the
> url for her magnificent debunking of Tom Frank in
> Stanley's new journal, Situations(?). Is that article
> what's eating you, Doug?
>
>
> and later...
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>
> <snip> But what I sense here, with the body only a few
> hours cold, is vast disrespect, fairly customary on
> this list, for feminism and for this major feminist
> figure. Shameful beyond belief.
>
>
> And so on.
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>
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> What we've witnessed is some mild mention of Ellis'
> unfortunate Zionist ideas met with a mounting
> onslaught of hyperbole from you Jesse.
>
> With each turn of the screw, you've gone up (or down,
> as the case may be) the ladder of denunciation,
> declaring your opponents to be worse and worse -
> indeed, members of a "vile gang".
>
>
> Leading to this moment's crowning glory:
>
>
> ...there has been hideous rant here, over-the-top
> stuff. Can you imagine a couple of hours decent
> interval before the rant? This stuff is hurtful to
> whole communities, though clearly not to the LBO
> community.
>
>
>
> This excess (and describing the use of "cranky" as
> "hideous rant" is spectacular excess) is deeply odd
> and leads me to wonder what else is going on over
> there.
>
>
> In fact, it's pointless to continue. Your headline
> grabbing is the real "male rage" on display here, the
> real hijacking of any consideration of Ellis' life and
> work.
>
>
> I raise the white flag in the face of your profound
> strangeness. You win Jesse; everyone's mad, bad and
> dangerous to know.
>
>
> Except, of course, for you.
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>
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>
>
> .d.
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