[lbo-talk] Rangel Is An Idiot

Ylle521 ylle521 at highstream.net
Sun Nov 19 18:52:29 PST 2006


I don't think this is idiotic at all. I think part of the reason this war happened was because most of this country's upper income movers and shakers, along with a healthy section of the middle class, were able to feel it had nothing to do with them at all. Much of what gave the Vietnam resistance such ferocity was the draft resistance. If *all* the fighting-age people of the USA had to make some accomodation to the draft because it's a lottery, be it joining some outfit like W did, or getting married or staying in school or fleeing to Canada, there would have been much more deliberation and questioning of the Bush Administration by Congress...because *their* kids would be under the shadow. Yes, many at the top got out of it, but many didn't, especially the white middle-class kids who are today safely ensconced in universities and free to be as pro-war as hell.

The volunteer army was the government's solution for the problem of rampant meltdown of discipline that occured in Vietnam, and it's worked. Today's regular troops see themselves as highly trained professional warriors who signed a contract, made a promise, took an oath. And it's why, even when they admit they have doubts about the war, they still fight it. They regard it as their professional duty to obey.

At 08:32 PM 11/19/2006, you wrote:
><http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/19/rangel.draft.ap/index.html>http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/19/rangel.draft.ap/index.html
>
>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans would have to sign up for a new
>military draft after turning 18 if the incoming chairman of the
>House Ways and Means Committee has his way.
>
>New York Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel said Sunday he sees his idea
>as a way to deter politicians from launching wars. He believes a
>draft would bolster U.S. troop levels that are currently
>insufficient to cover potential future action in Iran, North Korea and Iraq.
>
>"There's no question in my mind that this president and this
>administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the
>flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had
>a draft, and members of Congress and the administration thought that
>their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel said.
>
>Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored
>legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose a
>measure early next year.
>
>In 2003, he proposed a draft covering people age 18 to 26. This
>year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and
>women between age 18 and 42. It went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.
>
>Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of
>their victories in the November 7 mid-term election.
>
>At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more
>troops to Iraq, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not
>support the draft," said Rangel.
>
>He also proposed a draft in January 2003, before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
>
>Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in
>the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S.
>does not have enough people in the military.
>
>"I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary
>Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can't, then we'll
>look for some other option," said Graham, who is assigned as a
>reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals.
>Rangel and Graham appeared on "Face the Nation" on CBS.
>
>Rangel, the next chairman of the House tax-writing committee, said
>he worried the military is strained by its overseas commitments.
>
>"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and
>then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we
>can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.
>
>He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to
>duty would have to serve. Instead, "young people (would) commit
>themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic,
>whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals,"
>with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.
>
>Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military "represents the
>country pretty well in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background."
>
>Repeated polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose
>reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to
>restart conscription.
>
>Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June
>2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be
>brought back."
>
>Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the
>continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in
>the public's mind.
>
>The military drafted conscripts during the Civil War, both world
>wars and between 1948 and 1973.
>
>The Selective Service System, an agency independent of the Defense
>Department, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 -- now about
>16 million -- from which to supply untrained draftees that would
>supplement the professional all-volunteer armed forces.
>
>Copyright 2006 The
><http://www.cnn.com/interactive_legal.html#AP>Associated Press.
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