[lbo-talk] dishonest material on Portside

Jesse Lemisch utopia1 at attglobal.net
Wed Oct 25 14:46:12 PDT 2006


What do you think "I can't see it" means? Your interpretation makes "I can't see it" synomyomous with "I can see it."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Brown" <cbrown at michiganlegal.org> To: <lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: [lbo-talk] dishonest material on Portside


> Jesse Lemisch
> What an ignorant and twisted comment!
>
> ^^^^^
> CB: That's a bit strong. What I said ain't hardly ignorant,nor twisted.
I'm
> starting to wonder about you.
>
> ^^^^^
>
>
> I said quite clearly that I couldn't
> see a connection between Herbert Aptheker's sexual molestation of his
> daughter and his intellectual work, but I was open to, willing to listen
to
> anybody who sought to make an argument for a connection.
> ^^^^
> CB: That's a paraphrase and explanation of what you said. What you said
you
> posted to the list here. And it is ,to be precise:
>
> " I CONTINUE TO WISH FOR DISCUSSION AS TO HOW THE ATTITUDES EXPRESSED IN
> HERBERT'S AWFUL ACTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN REFLECTED IN BOOKS LIKE THE CENTRALLY
> IMPORTANT AMERICAN NEGRO SLAVE REVOLTS AND/OR THE TRULY TERRIBLE THE TRUTH
> ABOUT HUNGARY. I CAN'T SEE IT, BUT DISCUSSION MAY BRING OUT SOME
CONTINUITY.
> I think Chris[topher Phelps] implies but DOES NOT SHOW A CONNECTION
> ... Without positing a major disconnect between the personal and the
public,
> I CAN'T SEE HOW THESE REVELATIONS of despicable sexual behavior make
> American Negro Slave Revolts or the horrifying Truth about Hungary any
more
> true or false. BUT I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT CONNECTIONS PEOPLE MIGHT BE
ABLE
> TO SKETCH IN. There might be some." (EMPHASIS ADDED by Jesse Lemisch) (
> More emphasis added by CB).
>
> ^^^^
> CB; Both what you actually said and even your paraphrase of it above are
> accurately characterized by Solomon when he says
> "Lemisch urges the search for a connection between molestation and
> Aptheker's writings in African American history and other areas. "
>
>
> ^^^
>
>
> What is it you don't understand about this? is it your position that you
> never want to hear arguments for positions at odds with your own?
>
> ^^^^^
> CB: I understand it fine. You express a non sequitur ( Do you know what
that
> is ?). Solomon said "Lemisch urges the search for a connection between
> molestation and Aptheker's writings in African American history and other
> areas. " In your maginifcent openmindedness to hear arguments for
positions
> at odds with your own, that's what you did.
>
> I didn't say there was anything wrong with your openmindedness. I said
> Solomon accurately characterizes what you said and therefore what he said
is
> not "dishonest material on Portside."
>
> I do think it would be quite a stretch to say Herbert Aptheker molested
his
> daughter, therefore there weren't really any "Negro slave revolts." But
who
> knows. I supposed there might be a stronger case for "Herbert Aptheker
> molested his daughter,and that bad in him is the same reason he wrote in
> favor of the Soviet invasion of Hungary." But, you know...
>
>
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