[lbo-talk] completely confused?

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Tue Sep 5 11:44:30 PDT 2006


Angelus Novus


> CB: Why don't you just tell us which Marx your
> opinions are in accord with
> and which one you disagree with ?

I like the Marx of Capital, and the excerpts of the Grundrisse I have read. There are some excellent passages about communism in the German Ideology too.


> Do you still think Marx thought that dialectic was a
> dead dog, like Spinoza
> and Hegel ?

I do not ever recall attributing to Marx the position that dialectic was a "dead dog." But since joanna calls me a Zionist, and Bill Bartlett says I am a defender of Israel, feel free to attribute whatever views to me that I don't actually hold.

^^^^^ CB: Maybe my memory is off, but when you first came on the list, I thought you said that . Here it is:

Angelus Novus : You know the only thing dialectical about Marx? The method of depiction in Capital. The logical development of a category out of the contradictions of the previous category. Marx isn't asserting that reality is dialectical. Dialectical is just the method of portrayal. It's a charming 19th Century conceit by a Hegel student. It's not even essential to understanding Capital (I know, I know, Lenin says otherwise).

^^^^^ CB: Oh "charming conceit" ,not "dead dog".

I replied to you with a quote from one of Marx's prefaces to _Capital_ in which he seems to say that reality is dialectical.

"My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite. To Hegel, the life-process of the human brain, i.e., the process of thinking, which, under the name of "the Idea," he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of "the Idea." With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind, and translated into forms of thought."

CB: If the ideal , which is dialectical, _reflects_ the material world ( reality) , that seems to imply that reality is dialectical, contra your claim.

I guess further, why is it important to you that Marx didn't consider that "reality" is dialectical ?



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