<div>On 2/28/06, Leigh Meyers <<a href="mailto:leighcmeyers@gmail.com">leighcmeyers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Doug Henwood (who preiviously implied that the CFR was essentially irrelevant) wrote: > Further to the demented assertion that the Council on Foreign > Relations wants, nay planned, a civil war in Iraq: > > <<a href="http://cfr.org/region/405/iraq.html">http://cfr.org/region/405/iraq.html</a>> > > Sectarian violence in the wake of this week's attack on the Shiite > Golden Mosque in Samarra have raised fears that an Iraqi civil war is > imminent. Civil war would destroy the chances of the newly elected > central government and create even more instability across the region. > ___________________________________ > <a href="http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk"> http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</a> > So where's the indication here that they think this affects "empirical" plans in any way, or should we extrapolate? Whose fear? We've terrorised the population of Iraq since (at least) 1991, and we didn't want them to be fearful? Right! You REALLY DO have a problem with the idea that U.S. mideast policy might have an established plan 'B' that was ready to go... Perhaps more ready (and actualizable) than plan 'A' which required long term support from national governments and the people of those nations, like congress... and the American people. IMHO, now all the policywonks think that we will just be able to go in and pick up the spoils of Iraq's civil was too, and of course, they'll be horribly, tragically wrong... But wishful thinking seems to be as endless as the 'America Dream[tm]' Don't be simplistic... The people who plan these wars, make and promulgate these foreign policies, are VICIOUS CONNIVING TWO-FACED CRETINS... and always have been. Nice, simple people don't rise to the top of governmental power structures (or for that matter, any social structure currently operational) </blockquote><div> so, is your contention that civil war is the neocon plan B? i admit that i am way behind in conversations on this list, so i don't have the history. but if i read you right, you are basically saying that the neocons are cynical power-grabbers dressed up as democracy-promoting ideologues. is that a fair read? j </div> </div> -- "lo que decimos no siempre se parece a nosotros"