<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"> <title></title> </head> <body> My nomination for greatest 20th century philosopher is Wittgenstein. I think the only reason he is not hot is because his work debunks most academic endeavors. I have read Heidegger and it looks like Buddhism rendered in western terms. In other words, very valuable, but can be found expressed more clearly elsewhere. Joanna andie nachgeborenen wrote: <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid20060507193130.34702.qmail@web50414.mail.yahoo.com"> <pre wrap="">Actually Heidegger's post Being & Time writing is _really_ beautiful German. The translations do not do him justice, nowhere near. And is your contrast supposed to to whom and on what grounds? Quine, whose major thesis (the indeterminacy of translation) no two people can agree on what it means? Davidson, similarly opaque? Rawls, whose writing is a crime against the English language? Sellars? Give me a break. Foucault can write perfectly well -- his prose not fancy, but clear and serviceable. Zizek has a nice breezy accessible journalistic style. Merleau Ponty writes like an analytical philosopher, for good or ill (says one who was trained in that tradition). As you know, you can get a PhD in philosophy from a top school without ever looking at a word of Heidegger. I actually think he's a major philosopher though, one of the 20th century greats, well worth the effort of headbanging you have have top do to get your head around the main points. --- Jerry Monaco <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:monacojerry@gmail.com"><monacojerry@gmail.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On 5/7/06, Chris Doss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lookoverhere1@yahoo.com"><lookoverhere1@yahoo.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hell, without Heidegger there wouldn't even BE a Zizek. Or a Sartre, Foucault, Derrida, </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Merleau-Ponty, </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Lacan, Arendt, Marcuse, Adorno and probably a </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">couple </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">of dozen other thinkers I'm in too much of a hurry </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">to </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">remember right now. What did Arendt call him -- </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">the </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hidden King? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Does that mean all these people might actually have to learn to write? I'll admit an affection for Sartre in his popular mode and Merleau-Ponty when writing about the senses.... But the world would have been better off without Heidegger. At least trees and graduate classes would have been better off. --- ravi <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gadfly@exitleft.org"><gadfly@exitleft.org></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">At around 7/5/06 8:46 am, Chris Doss wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Cuz he's the most influential philosopher </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">since </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hegel? </pre> <pre wrap=""> You mean not Zizek?!! ;-) </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Nu, zayats, pogodi! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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