Andie Seriously, I have read all of these folks.  They mostly speak gibberish in order to purff themselves up.  It would be better if they remained silent.  Better for the world and better for clear thought.  And better for political activism.  Practically everything that Heidegger said about science, physics, etc. is mainly anti-science.  One can take Heidegger seriously as an example of reaction against enlightenment values.  As for me give me Voltaire or Hume anyday. In the end the only unreadable philosopher worth reading is Kant.  But I don't really feel like debating the declension of intellectual culture as represented by the anti-humanists and, as for Heidegger, a disgusting authoritarian.  Jerry <div>On 5/7/06, andie nachgeborenen <<a href="mailto:andie_nachgeborenen@yahoo.com">andie_nachgeborenen@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Actually Heidegger's post Being & Time writing is _really_ beautiful German. The translations do not do him justice, nowhere near. And is your contrast supposed to to whom and on what grounds? Quine, whose major thesis (the indeterminacy of translation) no two people can agree on what it means? Davidson, similarly opaque? Rawls, whose writing is a crime against the English language? Sellars? Give me a break. Foucault can write perfectly well -- his prose not fancy, but clear and serviceable. Zizek has a nice breezy accessible journalistic style. Merleau Ponty writes like an analytical philosopher, for good or ill (says one who was trained in that tradition). As you know, you can get a PhD in philosophy from a top school without ever looking at a word of Heidegger.  I actually think he's a major philosopher though, one of the 20th century greats, well worth the effort of headbanging you have have top do to get your head around the main points. --- Jerry Monaco <<a href="mailto:monacojerry@gmail.com">monacojerry@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > On 5/7/06, Chris Doss <<a href="mailto:lookoverhere1@yahoo.com">lookoverhere1@yahoo.com </a>> > wrote: > > > > Hell, without Heidegger there wouldn't even BE a > > Zizek. Or a Sartre, Foucault, Derrida, > Merleau-Ponty, > > Lacan, Arendt, Marcuse, Adorno and probably a > couple > > of dozen other thinkers I'm in too much of a hurry > to > > remember right now. What did Arendt call him -- > the > > Hidden King? > > > > Does that mean all these people might actually have > to learn to write?  I'll > admit an affection for Sartre in his popular mode > and Merleau-Ponty when > writing about the senses....  But the world would > have been better off > without Heidegger.  At least trees and graduate > classes would have been > better off. > > --- ravi <<a href="mailto:gadfly@exitleft.org">gadfly@exitleft.org</a>> wrote: > > > > > At around 7/5/06 8:46 am, Chris Doss wrote: > > > > Cuz he's the most influential philosopher > since > > > Hegel? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean not Zizek?!! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Nu, zayats, pogodi! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! 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