<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lbo-talk-request@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk-request@lbo-talk.org</a> wrote:<br> <blockquote cite="mid200608101659.k7AGxm1O025054@infothecary.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Send lbo-talk mailing list submissions to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk">http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lbo-talk-request@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk-request@lbo-talk.org</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lbo-talk-owner@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk-owner@lbo-talk.org</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of lbo-talk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: AFL-CIO to endorse Joe? (Steve Palmer) 2. Merging Chinese Traditional Medicine into the American Health System (was, putting quackery to...) (Dwayne Monroe) 3. Galloway rips a new one (Andy F) 4. RE: Military preparations to attack Iran. Re: [lbo-talk] Blumenthal: Iranis next (Wojtek Sokolowski) 5. Chechnya restoration requires RUR 18, 2 billion in 2007- Kadyrov (Chris Doss) 6. Re: All Hail the Lamont Campaign Staff!!! (Dennis Perrin) 7. Re: Boycott Japan and China (Dennis Redmond) 8. Re: Merging Chinese Traditional Medicine into the American Health System (was, putting quackery to...) (joanna) 9. Re: Galloway rips a new one (joanna) 10. Australia, Dread Land of Death (Chris Doss) 11. Re: All Hail the Lamont Campaign Staff!!! (Carrol Cox) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:33:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Palmer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spalmer999@yahoo.com"><spalmer999@yahoo.com></a> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] AFL-CIO to endorse Joe? To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org</a> Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:20060810143308.4276.qmail@web81913.mail.mud.yahoo.com"><20060810143308.4276.qmail@web81913.mail.mud.yahoo.com></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Almost makes me feel sorry for Joe. Didn't they also endorse Dick ... Dick ... Dick ... what was his name ... Gephardt? Muscle? Think paunch ... --- Doug Henwood <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dhenwood@panix.com"><dhenwood@panix.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/nyregion/10lieberman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin"><http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/nyregion/10lieberman.html? _r=1&oref=slogin></a> And at least one steadfast Lieberman ally, the A.F.L.-C.I.O., Connecticut’s largest labor group, said it would consider endorsing Mr. Lieberman through the general election, providing crucial muscle for a fall campaign. ___________________________________ <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk">http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> "To the socialist it is not the horrors of war that are the hardest to endure ... but the horrors of the treachery shown by the leaders of present-day socialism" - Lenin "When the train of history goes round a bend, all the intellectuals fall off" - Marx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mail.yahoo.com">http://mail.yahoo.com</a> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwayne Monroe <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:idoru345@yahoo.com"><idoru345@yahoo.com></a> Subject: [lbo-talk] Merging Chinese Traditional Medicine into the American Health System (was, putting quackery to...) To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org</a> Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:20060810143449.5335.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com"><20060810143449.5335.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I think the two debating camps - roughly divided into the Joanna/Ravi team and almost everyone else who has contributed - are circling each other but scarcely touching. I thought it might be useful to read an actual practioner's point of view - a scientist with a good knowledge of and respect for the astoundingly old medical traditions of China. ... Merging Chinese Traditional Medicine into the American Health System Charles Feng Human Biology, Stanford University <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:feng@jyi.org">feng@jyi.org</a> My grandmother, a frail 78-year-old woman who has spent her whole life in China and Taiwan, recently came to stay with my family in the San Francisco Bay area. At her age, health is of great concern - she takes four pills every morning for various ailments (such as chronic bronchitis and osteoporosis), and often spends a large portion of her days sleeping. All of her pills were prescribed by her doctors in Taiwan. To supplement her medications, she drinks various concoctions made from Chinese herbs and animal parts, also brought over from Taiwan. She doesn't have any desire to see a Western doctor, and even left the United States so she could go back for a physical check-up in Taiwan. On the other hand, my mother - my grandmother's daughter - has been in the United States for more than 25 years. There is not a trace of an accent in her English, and she goes to American doctors for all her sicknesses. On occasion, she also visits a Chinese-trained doctor for a massage or herbal medicines. Indeed, she actively uses both Western and Chinese traditional medicine. In contrast, I was born a few years after my mother immigrated to the United States, and the only medicines I have ever taken have been prescribed by American-trained doctors. However, just as my grandmother is skeptical of Western medicine, I in turn doubt many aspects of Chinese medicine. In the United States, both Chinese and Chinese-Americans are forced to confront a world in which they have medical options from two very different cultures; their decisions in response to these contrasting systems have serious consequences on the outcome of their health. Under the American health care system, diseases that are more prevalent within the Asian-American community, such as Hepatitis B, are often overlooked when Asians are getting check-ups, largely because those diseases have a low prevalence in communities of other cultures. Likewise, sometimes American doctors are not as familiar with Chinese culture, either - such as the taboo on HIV and AIDS; the Chinese condemn the virus and its resulting illness as a disgrace to the family of the afflicted individual. On the other hand, traditional Chinese medicine is more subjective, and is often based more on notions of spirituality than on proven scientific rigor. My grandmother, for example, went to two different Chinese doctors for the same ailment, and received two completely different treatments. Should Chinese and Chinese-Americans choose either Chinese or Western medicine, or should they try to combine the two? Perhaps they can learn to adapt to a new medicinal culture, or maybe it is best to stay within the cultural contexts that are the most familiar. [...] full - <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issue5/features/feng.html"><http://www.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issue5/features/feng.html></a> ... .d. I never liked you Rusty...you were always a smart alec, a sass mouth and a bit of a giggle puss. Dr, Impossible ...................... <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://monroelab.net/blog/">http://monroelab.net/blog/</a> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:49:16 -0400 From: "Andy F" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andy274@gmail.com"><andy274@gmail.com></a> Subject: [lbo-talk] Galloway rips a new one To: lbo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org"><lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org></a> Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:8d010b7e0608100849n7fa9b1e5k34f909157ee5dc99@mail.gmail.com"><8d010b7e0608100849n7fa9b1e5k34f909157ee5dc99@mail.gmail.com></a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Might as well be the one: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2006/08/must-see-tv.html"><http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2006/08/must-see-tv.html></a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html>