<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"> <title></title> </head> <body> There's no such thing as "traditional" pizza. Pizza is an american invention. Joanna Jesse Lemisch wrote: <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid00ef01c6d461$257db770$c360400c@herbgw5onv87bp"> <pre wrap="">This seems to me to confirm that pizza, another ethnic food, is in terrible decline. I wonder what you think of the tarted up versions in fine restaurants? My memory is that the New Haven pizza (can't recall the name of the place) is great because traditional. Obviously, as in the case of the aforementioned Buffalo Italian Thanksiving, fusion can be great. But so far as I can tell, the bad bagels around reflect no fusion, no ethnic contribution from outside of the original, just collapse. Jesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Monaco" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:monacojerry@gmail.com"><monacojerry@gmail.com></a> To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org"><lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org></a> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] bagels/ethnicity </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On 9/9/06, Jesse Lemisch <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:utopia1@attglobal.net"><utopia1@attglobal.net></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">This leads me to some speculations and questions about bagels and </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">ethnicity. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Far from a Jewish nationalist myself, I do feel that what has become of </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">the </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">bagel is an offense against ethnicity, particularly here on the upper </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">West </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Side, and similar offenses against other ethnicities would bring angry responses. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Oh that is just silly. think about what happened to the pizza, or to sushi... But who complains? Except for the fact that I can rarely get good pizza in the city where my great grandparents family first made it 75 years ago, I have no real complaints. In the late 80s and early 90s in Manhattan you could rarely even find an Italian owned pizza place, they were mostly owned by Albanians. With pizza they lacked imagination. I look forward to the time when Mexicans and Japanese own the pizza places here. Then maybe it will get interesting again. Jerry </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">H & H (Hispanic) are highly sugared; Absolute (Thai) -- along with most other sources -- lacks the traditional hardness on the </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">surface </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">(during WWII there were jokes about Jewish bombardiers dropping bagels </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">on </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">the enemy). It may be that Jewish-made bagels have also deteriorated. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">___________________________________ <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk">http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> ___________________________________ <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk">http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>