<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"> <title></title> </head> <body> I'm sure it happens; I'm not quite sure why you think the working class has a monopoly on violence though. Joanna jrdavis wrote: <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid20061022014833.52741.qmail@web54502.mail.yahoo.com">How about wives who beat their husbands? In working class families the abuse often goes both ways in a culture of violence. Jesse Lemisch <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:utopia1@attglobal.net"><utopia1@attglobal.net></a> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16,16,255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">My goodness, this is just awful. James quotes the notiorious amti-feminist tract by Cornel West and Sylvia Ann Hewlett whose aim was to change state laws to force a waiting/counseling period before divorce, to preserve the family, etc. It's simply astonishing that somebody should be arguing on feminist issues utterly uninformed by feminist views and the critiques of this sad volume which I read when Barnes and Noble 82nd St. still had comfortable chairs. (Yes, in this sense Cornel West is indeed a social conservative, as is his pal Michael Lerner of Tikkun -- veteran of a notorious rape case in Seattle --: see my "Sociat Conservatism on the Left: The Abandonment of Radicalism and the Collapse of the Jewish Left into Faith and Family, Tikkun 1989. Lerner went crazy when he saw this and published a severely cut version as a letter to the editor. I will try to locate a better citation.) James proceeds to revive the hideous old myth that punishing sexual abusers is an attack on working class families. Wow, this really belongs in MR. How about it, Yoshie? Soon we'll be hearing, as we haven't in some years, that we ought to sympathize with working class males who return from alienated work and understandably beat their waves. Yes, indeed, let's save the family, undermine divorce, and keep legal authorities out of the "private" sphere. Jesse Lemisch ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Heartfield" <HEARTFIELD @blueyonder.co.uk=""> To: <LBO-TALK @lbo-talk.org=""> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: [lbo-talk] False accusations > Jesse, writes > > > My goodness, suppose I paraded a number of court decsions in the south in > > which blacks were convicted, their testimony disallowed, etc. > > What would such cases prove? > > But I think you missed the point. In two of three of the cases I cited, the > person who was originally supposed to have been molested by parents was > subsequently suing the therapist who persuaded her to make those charges > (and there are many more such cases, follow the link). In your anaolgy the > therapists and social workers are being persecuted by courts biassed in > favour of women who feel that they have been duped. That is the kind of bias > I think we need. > > > The stuff we have been seeing here isn't social science, it's ideology. > > Well, as Terry Eagleton said, ideology is what you think, what I think is > social science. Your weakness is that you do not understand the movement to > punish abusers has its own ideological biasses - against working class > families, against parents, in favour of greater state intervention into > domestic life, masking the exercise of state power by manufacturing an > ideological figure of the victimised child. > > To quote Cornel West and Sylvia Ann Hewlett: > > 'Over the last 30 years, thousands of professionals associated with our > burgeoning child welfare bureaucracy have developed what can only be > described as a parent-bashing mentality'. Many professionals 'are now firmly > convinced that the American family is largely dysfunctional' and 'that a > majority of parents have the potential to abuse children'. 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