One must consider the source, but according to Sergo Beria, his father despised Dzerzhinsky because the latter "obtained physical pleasure from interrogations."
--- andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think torturers and secret policemen are on
> any side of the class struggle I'd care to be on.
>
> Marx thought so too. Attacking the LaSallean Gotha
> Program, he said that it was inferior to "even
> vulgar
> democracy that sees the millennium in the democratic
> republic [my view] . . . towers mountains above this
> kind of democratism wick keeps within the limits of
> what is permitted by the police and not by logic."
> (GCP, sec IV); in the Paris Commune. Marx noted,
> "instead of continuing to be the agent of the
> Central
> Government, the police was at once stripped of its
> political attributes and turned into the responsible
> and at all times revocable agent of the Commune."
> (CWF, sec III).
>
> Also, in classical Marxist terms, Newton was a
> leading
> figure in the bourgeois revolution, where the
> opposite
> side of the class struggle was not the
> not-yet-existing industrial proletariat but the
> reactionary feudal aristocracy, and therefore, even
> if
> one somehow imagines Felix the Chekist to be on the
> side of progress, he and Newton (as Master of the
> Mint) occupied similar positions in the class
> struggles of their day -- high state officials
> devoted
> to promoting (by torture and judicial killing) the
> economic and political interests of the progressive
> and revolutionary social class.
>
> --- Charles Brown <cbrown at michiganlegal.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Doss
> >
> >
> > My joke was, "you're not thinking of introducing
> > andie
> > to Sir Isaac Newton, who will make him talk by
> > torturing him?"
> >
> > I guess you could substitute Dzerzhinsky for
> Newton.
> > :)
> >
> >
> > ^^^^^^
> > CB: No, 'cause Dzerzhinsky was on the opposite
> side
> > of the class struggle,
> > which doesn't go away just 'cause you ignore it.
> >
> >
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