[lbo-talk] [Fwd: Cretinism, electoral and otherwise]

Russell Grinker grinker at mweb.co.za
Fri Aug 17 13:22:46 PDT 2007


Doug, your interpretation of Stalinism might involve gulags and the GPU. In fact these were in the bigger picture exceptions to the rule. My sense of it has more to do with a failed experiment under which the absence of workers' democracy meant that extremely inefficient bureaucratic central 'planning' replaced market relations and couldn't generally improve on labour productivity under capitalism. The fact that the system survived as long as it did and its lasting appeal had more to do with the weakness of capitalism between the wars and the poor reputation of old style colonialism and imperialism than with its own inherent virtues. Lazy use of terminology? As someone else said, do you have a better name for it? Sectarian? Please explain?

-----Original Message----- From: lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org] On Behalf Of Doug Henwood Sent: 17 August 2007 07:55 PM To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] [Fwd: Cretinism, electoral and otherwise]

On Aug 17, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Russell Grinker wrote:


> implosion of Stalinism

Stalin died in 1953. The USSR survived him by almost 40 years. The states were repressive, for sure, but there was nothing like the hellishness of collectivization or the gulag. Applying the term "Stalinism" to Soviet & Eastern European societies of the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s doesn't seem very helpful - actually it seems kind of lazy or sectarian or both.

Doug



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