[lbo-talk] The sources of suffering (Grow up!)

Gar Lipow the.typo.boy at gmail.com
Sat Aug 25 13:41:39 PDT 2007


On 8/25/07, Tayssir John Gabbour <tayssir.john at googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 8/25/07, JBrown72073 at cs.com <JBrown72073 at cs.com> wrote:
> > There is no chance that all human conflict (pain, valor, frailty)
> > comes from the supremacy of one class over another, if that's what
> > you're worried about; take the biological division of labor between
> > the sexes, for example, and all that flows from that. Perhaps
> > you're defining a classless society as one with no conflict? But
> > then you've begged the question. That's a cardboard utopia, we'll
> > still be flesh and blood.
>

Kim Stanley Robinson's "Pacific Edge" I think deals with this rather well. It is set in an (arguably) socialist future California. It is quite deliberately a utopia, but not a cardboard one. It is socialist, but with room for a small for profit sector . The conflict in the novel is set around a villanous for proft enterprise (probably illegally larger than the maximum size a for-profit enterprise is supposed to get) trying to develop in an ecologically damanging way a local hilltop that has special meaning to the point-of-view character, and many of the other inhabitants of the town. There are also a number of romantic conflicts, and friendships made, maintained or destroyed. The hilltop is saved but the point-of-view character ends up failing to make the romantic connection he hoped for. In the end, the point-of-view character, healthy, economically secure, with plenty of chances for satisfying work, friendship, adventure, and future romance reflects that he is probably the most unhappy person in the whole world. And as he thinks this, he bursts out laughing.



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