> Yeah, I'm really wondering who these liberals are who advocate
> liberalism? These days you've got to be pretty far to the left - like
> NLG/CCR - to resist the imperatives of the terror war, for example.
But wasn't that the kind of thing that liberals _always_ embraced? They loved the Cold War, if memory serves, and enlisted con brio -- for staff jobs, of course. What I mean is: there's no "liberalism" to advocate that doesn't include imperial war as an entailment.