http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgFn5MfXs9g
This is a twenty minute talk by each of them followed by 40 minutes of Q&A. It's a video (originally broadcast on C-Span), but it works just fine as an audiotape; you don't need to watch it.
I thought it was excellent. These guys are smart, especially Lieven. As smart as he is about almost all countries, his expertise stands out most when it comes to Pakistan. And FWIW, his 20 minutes kicks it off (after a 3 minute intro).
Michael
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