BobW
--- cgrimes at rawbw.com wrote:
>
> Chavez has complied completely with "bourgeois
> legality" -- a data
> point supporting Andie's argument on liberalism and
> socialism... '
>
> Gar Lipow
>
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>
> Thanks for posting this. What it means is there is
> no practical
> incompatibility between impeaching Bush on his
> presumption of
> extra-legal powers and any future ideal where a
> related expansion of
> executive power might be needed to over haul the
> capitalist and
> neoliberal political economy. (AD's point)
>
> In other words the US left is not foreclosing its
> own future project,
> by pushing for impeachment on the grounds of illegal
> or
> unconstitutional expansion of executive branch
> powers by the current
> administration.
>
> ...well because Chavez did it legally. And
> conversely, Bush has tried
> to carry out the Right's project by illegally
> expanding his
> powers. And the stupidity of the Right is that it
> didn't need to
> destroy the whole political fabric of government to
> do what it wanted.
>
> The Patriot Act, Homeland Security and all the rest
> of this
> crap was completely un-necessary.
>
> Carrol writes:
>
> ``So the whole topic is simply silly..''
>
> It might sound silly at the moment. But I don't
> think you see the
> issue involved. It has to do with constructing a
> socialist economy
> within the framework of the existing institutions
> and through well
> established politcal means compatible with US
> history and
> traditions.
>
> In other words, no revolution is necessary. Pursuing
> social justice
> doesn't require the hypocrisy of shooting a lot of
> people
> to get there (much as I might like too, just to shut
> them up).
>
> And whether or not such a turn ever arrives in the
> US is also off the
> point. The point is I have to imagine the world,
> before I can see the
> best way to change it---using (I) here as if were a
> (we).
>
> And then a last point, I have to write things out
> and then look at
> them. That's the way I think. So yes, there is a
> sandbox, or soapbox,
> and I use lbo as a sandbox-soapbox. I think lbo is
> good place to do
> that---sort of what it's for, no? Mutual
> masterbation of course, but
> why not? And the best thing about this sandbox as
> compared to blogs is
> I am not sure---but something to do with a more
> democratic and
> collective forum or something..
>
> CG
>
>
>
>
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