[lbo-talk] Taibbi (was Re: Fwd: Antioch College Closing!)

Brian Charles Dauth magcomm at ix.netcom.com
Sat Jun 16 19:10:23 PDT 2007



> Regarding the second: it is the contrary point that is of significance
here, me thinks: if you oppose efforts to end X, Y, Z do you halt the elite doing its work?

No, you facilitate it, since the elite wants those hostilities to remain unabated.


> Don't be condescending, for you do not not what I do when I am
away from my keyboard. And nor should it matter.

Of course it does. The question is whether a person just types the type or lives the life.


> I am absolved of having to support any gay rights (or other)
struggle if I calculate that there is no likelihood of payback for my cause (say "animal welfare")

But you can only know this with any certainty by supporting a struggle and seeing what you get in return. Otherwise you are just playing with theories which can be twisted to whatever outcome you desire.


> I can be easily bought off: the "elite" only need to offer me a better
deal than the gay activists do

If a person is capable of being bought off, a commitment to a struggle won't prevent it.


> without some predefined shared notion such as [at least]
"commitment" we are stuck with a bootstrapping problem (w.r.t common action).

What about helping ending the oppression of other human beings?


> This argument is precisely analogous to the claim that a medical
doctor could not understand the etiology of a disease unless the doctor personally experienced the disease.

Not at all. If you are not a gay man who has been threatened with violence then you cannot know what it feels like. You can know that such incidents occur, but you cannot know how it feels.


> Being able to thoroughly analyze a phenomenon and test causal
linkages is not dependent on having an immediate "personal" experience.

But an analysis of a phenomenon is different from experiencing it.


> This assumption that a person cannot "know" something unless
they personally experience it is one of the most pernicious misconceptions about knowledge that I come across as a college prof.

You can have a some knowledge of it, but experience for me is also a good a path to knowledge and offers information unavailable from books and classrooms.

Brian



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