[lbo-talk] Nietzsche

[Jeffrey Fisher]

On 6/29/07, Miles Jackson <cqmv at pdx.edu> wrote:
>
> Carrol Cox wrote:
> > Miles Jackson wrote:
> >
> >> N's argument that the
> >> self is a useful fiction--or even better, that truth is
> >>
> >>     a mobile army of metaphors, metonyms, and anthropomorphisms--in
> >>     short, a sum of human relations, [sic] which have been enhanced,
> >>     transposed, and embellished poetically and rhetorically, and which
> >>     after long use seem firm, canonical, and obligatory to a people:
> >>     truths are illusions about which one has forgotten that this is
> what
> >>     they are.
> >>
> >> I:'ll say this was a metaphorical 2 x 4 upside my head the first time I
> >> read it; I guess we get shaken up by different philosophical
> challenges!
> >>
> >
> > The direction of this is pretty much the same as that of Marx's sixth
> > thesis on Feuerbach, human essence as "the ensemble of the social
> > relations." Those words have informed my thought for nearly 40 years.
> >
> > Carrol
> >
> >
> Yes, Marx and Nietzsche are on the same page here: the creative power of
> social relations.  (That's why I don't get CB's antagonism about Fred.
> Sure, N hated socialists, but N completely agrees with old Whiskers on
> this basic philosophical level.)
>
> Miles

i'm glad to hear this from you and carrol, since it's the way i've been
thinking about it.

where i get in trouble is on the relation between the individual and the
social sphere. as i think i said elsewhere, i don't think N thinks we can
remake the social sphere as a really big collection of radically individual
individuals. but then, i also don't think marx believes in eradicating
individuals. so this is where i start thinking how N isn't petit bourgeois.

sort of.

but then, i'm at the office and am now half-a$$ing my replies. sorry. i'll
get more on it over the w/e.

j

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