[lbo-talk] Understanding _Capital_ (Was Re: barbaric)

Tayssir John Gabbour tayssir.john at googlemail.com
Fri Mar 9 12:10:56 PST 2007


On 3/9/07, Chuck <chuck at mutualaid.org> wrote:
> Tayssir John Gabbour wrote:
> > But I think it's reasonable to be as detailed as Parecon is. Parecon
> > should be implementable. [...]
>
> Parecon is just a bunch of borrowing from other radical economic
> theories.

Is "borrowing" somewhere in between copying and stealing? Because as we all know, "Good artists copy. Great artists steal." I'm kinda hoping it leans on the right side of that spectrum. What do you think?


> It's appealing to those leftists who are uncomfortable with
> the baggage of Marxism and anarchism.

Check and... check. Uncomfortable with the baggage of leftism too; makes a hat trick.

Frankly, I'm reminded of People's Front of Judea vs. Judean Peoples' Front. (If you've heard of Monty Python.) I mean, the fact that I'm sitting here heatedly discussing the finer distinctions between "radical economic theories" with a self-described "anarchist"... Somewhere, my life took an unexpected turn.


> It also replicates the worst aspects of managerial socialism, with
> it's arrogant attitude that the details can be worked out in
> advance.

Actually, Michael Albert chastised me for speculating on how a parecon grocery store would work. ;) Said the "vision" was important, not these details. (In my defense, I was just using the parecon model as a hook, to explore why common daily institutions struck me as kind of bizarre.)

As for arrogance though... let's just say that's another thing they borrowed from the radical tradition.


> The worthlessness of Parecon is indicated in your comment about helping
> a parecon-inspired startup. Odds are that this project is similar to any
> of the thousands of cooperative businesses and projects exist out there.
> Take Mondragon, for example.

Maybe, maybe not; I really don't know much about them. But if you'd like me to be more "radical" than their efforts, please feel free to send me info and case studies.

Do truly radical workers say goodbye when they mean hello, or walk on ceilings and put ceiling fans on the floor?

When it's "Opposites' Day," do they suddenly act all normal?

Tayssir



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