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On 3/14/07, Doug Henwood wrote:
> I wouldn't argue that you have to be inside something to comment on
> it but I can't help but notice this exchange features two outsiders
> telling an insider that he's way wrong about something he knows well.
YF: An ex-Muslim* who is an "insider" to Islam like Whittaker Chambers is an "insider" to Communism and ex-gay movements (cf. ) are "insiders" to homosexuality. :->
A. al-Z: You actually think you can type out this deliberately inaccurate generalization and not get called on it? People leave Islam after a long struggle with their consciences.They leave so-called friends and family behind (who oftentimes want to murder them). Your weak analogies are just that. Weak. If you had any integrity (as well as compassion) you would start posting at faithfreedom.org and tell the ex-Muslims that. But since you don't that's not likely to happen.
YF: Really, there's nothing wrong with leaving one's religion or political party or even sexual orientation or whatever,
A. al-Z: Now tell your Muslim friends that.
YF: provided you don't pursue a road like this "Faith Freedom International"'s, which looks like it's modelled on anticommunism and Exodus International:
A. al-Z: I'll admit that Ali SIna and others there are a bit on the lunatic side when it comes to attitudes towards the Left. I've called him and others there on it on plenty of occassions. I'm more involved with freethoughtmecca than FFI but if you had any integrity you would post that at FFI's forums also.
YF* The Net being what it is, who knows who "Ansar al-Zindiqi" is. For all you know, he may have been born with a perfectly Anglo name at a perfectly Anglo home, "converted" to Islam, and "converted" against it. :->
A. al-Z; The Net being what it is, what the core issue is is Islam and how the implosion of this sick totalitarian ideology will kill millions upon millions of people. At the end of the day who and what I am is is irrelevant and frankly none of your business. I'm the one with the fatwa. Not you.
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Sunan Abu Dawud Book 11, Number 2166: Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:
A man said: Apostle of Allah, I have a slave-girl and I withdraw the penis from her (while having intercourse), and I dislike that she becomes pregnant. I intend (by intercourse) what the men intend by it. The Jews say that withdrawing the penis (azl) is burying the living girls on a small scale. He (the Prophet) said: The Jews told a lie. If Allah intends to create it, you cannot turn it away.
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