Yeah, I know the basis of Taras Bulba. And Khmelniki, whosoever liberation of whoever he may or may not have promoted, it was so far from including the Jews that his ghost haunted by grandmother's memory. His pogroms were awesomely awful even by the standards of the times, really worthy of the Einsatzgruppen, though without the technological efficiency. The Ukrainians can have him as a national hero. It helps explain why my Jewish friends fled Kiev and Odessa even to the present day.
--- Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- andie nachgeborenen
> <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Khmelniki wasn't an intellectual for sure. And if
> he
> > was a revolutionary, then I'm agin it. His memory
> > haunted Jews for hundreds of years. My Hungarian
> > grandmother, whose family came from a town on the
> > Ukrainian border, would spook us as kids by
> telling
> > us
> > that if we did this or that or other otherwise
> > misbehaved, Khmielniki would come for us. When as
> a
> > teenager, I found out the bogeyman was a real
> > person,I
> > asked whether she knew this, she didn't; it was
> > something her mother had used to keep her own kids
> > in
> > line. Then I learned more and found out why.
> >
>
> His statue is in the center of downtown Kiev. I
> think
> he's on the currency too. He's Ukraine's national
> hero. Taras Bulba is based on him.
>
> One man's mass slaughter is another man's heroic
> struggle for liberation. :)
>
>
>
>
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