[lbo-talk] How to explain things to (right-wing) libertarians

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 30 22:25:00 PDT 2007


There is a lot of scholarly work on "getting to yes," attorneys have to deal with this all the time. I have negotiated a dozen or more big money settlements where principle and honor as well as tens of millions or more were at stake. The overwhelming weight of empirical research, born out by my experience, indicates without exception that unless you are in an overwhelmingly strong position, basically able to unilaterally position to dictate terms, the strategy you advocate will not only fail, but it will will backfire and make implacable enemies out of potential allies. And only someone profoundly hostile to the very idea of democracy would describe coalition building as a "regrettable" necessity. I conclude that you are a closet Stalinist or Bushie. Your position is essentially Bush's. You could not possibly be more wrong.

--- Carl Remick <carlremick at hotmail.com> wrote:


> Conceding that coalition-building may be a
> regrettable necessity, I think
> experience shows that the secret to any kind of
> successful bargaining is to
> *start* from an extreme, unreasonable,
> uncompromising position ;-)
>
> Carl
>
> >From: andie nachgeborenen
> <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com>
> >
> >No compromise with anyone! No coalitions with
> anyone
> >who disagrees with me! That includes you too, Carl.
> >
> >--- Carl Remick <carlremick at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think libertarians' fetishism of the
> individual
> > > brings a solipsistic toxin
> > > to social policy that would be fatal to
> genuinely
> > > leftist politics in the
> > > long run. I oppose supposedly pragmatic
> coalitions
> > > between leftists and
> > > retrograde thinkers like libertarians and
> religious
> > > believers. If humanity
> > > is to have a future, societies must be governed
> by
> > > secular collectivism of
> > > some sort. With free enterprise systematically
> > > destroying the global
> > > environment and world religiosity breeding
> insane
> > > tribal wars, this is no
> > > time for leftists to compromise on the
> principles of
> > > socialism and
> > > secularism.
>
>
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