As I said, the LTOV as both contemporary "proofs" exist are the most elegant, and I would argue highest achievement in value price theory ever achieved. Quite awe inspiring actually if you care to *think* about it.
Anyway, that is it for me on this. Dogmatic rejectionism is the enterprise of faith, not scientific inquiry. __________________ Travis W Fast
>
> Indeed. It's become a shibboleth for the faithful --
> one more reason I don't call myself a Marxist. (Marx
> didn't either.)
>
> "The question whether objective truth can be
> attributed to human thinking is not a question of
> theory but is a practical question. Man must prove the
> truth - i.e. the reality and power, the this-sidedness
> of his thinking in practice. The dispute over the
> reality or non-reality of thinking that is isolated
> from practice is a purely scholastic question."
>
> As someone once said. What practical or intellectual
> value has value theory displayed for about a century?
> I can debate the fine points of value theory with the
> best of them, but I don't see the point. There's
> nothing that Marx does with value theory, a tool he
> was sort of stuck with as the dominant view of
> political economy in his day, that can't be done
> easier or better without it. That's the real lesson
> of the neo-Ricardan critique.
>
> However, I am afraid that you and I are talking across
> an unbridgable divide here.
>
>
>
> --- tfast <tfast at yorku.ca> wrote:
>
> > Classic, just classic. Theology indeed.
> >
> > Travis
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'm just a junior law prof at a fourth tier law
> > > school, unable to repress anyone except maybe some
> > > students.
> > >
> > > However, I can observe that Marx would not say
> > that
> > > value theory was an "eternal truth," even if he
> > > thought it was true, he thought it was true only
> > of
> > > generalized, highly commoditized market societies.
> > (A
> > > point insisted on by Lukacs, inter alia.)
> > >
> > > I don't concede the point, and don't care to argue
> > it;
> > > it strikes me as boring theology at this point.
> > Time
> > > remains important and illuminated by Marx's
> > thought,
> > > but not by the value debates. Those that think
> > > otherwise are free to believe and write as they
> > like.
> > >
> > > What is interesting to me here is that in the
> > > mid-1960s Soviet and American social scientists
> > > thought that time was a politically neutral
> > subject --
> > > a genuinely draw dropping assumption that reveals
> > a
> > > depth of ignorance about Marxism that itself tells
> > us
> > > a lot about the the nature of the cold war and
> > what,
> > > in the end, was won or lost in that conflict.
> > >
> > > --- tfast <tfast at yorku.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Time is after all the core of Marx's critique
> > of
> > > > > political economy -- not just in the
> > refinement
> > > > and
> > > > > debate (please let it rest) about value
> > theory, >
> > > >
> > > > Eternal truths, they never rest, but always
> > resist
> > > > repression. It is one of
> > > > the great events of life that I was alive to see
> > > > this debate so squarely won
> > > > by the LTOV.
> > > >
> > > > Travis
> > > >
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