[lbo-talk] Irish politicans (was Abortion in the Irish courts again)

Wendy Lyon wendy.lyon at gmail.com
Mon May 21 01:43:02 PDT 2007


On 5/17/07, Jason <lists at moduszine.com> wrote:
>
> > Hmm. I can see that when it comes to regulating individuals'
> > activities, but I can't see how anyone on the left can argue that
> > fewer laws are needed to regulate businesses, corporate bodies and the
> > like. Most of what's wrong with this country can be directly linked
> > to the carte blanche given them by the government over the years.
>
> Do elablorate. I'm naturally inclined to agree with you (in theory, if not in practice) but I'd appreciate it if you could give a few concrete examples.

Well, I think you've given one here yourself. The lack of legislation requiring developers to absorb costs for energy reduction... as well as the lack of legislation protecting tenants. Then there's the lack of legislation requiring developers to build social and affordable housing and to provide for facilities such as creches in new developments; the lack of legislation to ensure that public services such as schools and transport are available to meet the needs of residents in new developments; the lack of legislation allowing for CPOs of derelict properties; the lack of legislation to protect workers from unscrupulous employees; the lack of legislation giving statutory rights to people with disabilities and special needs; and don't even get me started about the lack of legislation around the Church's activities ....


> > Well, you could probably say the same about most of the smaller
> > parties, couldn't you?
>
> You could and I do. I'm am against proportional representation for that reason. Tiny groupsicles like the Progressive Democrats or the Greens whinging their way into government.

Yikes. I certainly have reservations (to say the least) about the PDs wielding so much power after receiving only 4% in the last election, but I think it's utter madness to suggest that the alternative is eliminating PR. You think small parties and independents are irrelevant here, just look at countries like the US where the FPTP system prevents them ever even getting elected.
>
> You don't think Higgins will keep hi seat? I thought the Socialist party had broken the habit of a lifetime and actually got themselves a base.

Yes, I just don't think he'll be "effectively an independent" in the next Dáil i.e. I think Clare Daly will join him.


> Nevertheless, I don't think that an independent can ever do as much as even a smallish party. The Workers' and Unemployed Action Group didn't seem to go anywhere either.

Arguably Tony Gregory has done more than the Workers' Party over the past couple decades.



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