[lbo-talk] Pro-War Bumper-Sticker

Carl Remick carlremick at gmail.com
Mon Nov 5 14:35:14 PST 2007


The US Civil War showed Albion at its perfidious best. True, the British working classes genuinely opposed US slavery, but the British establishment, as usual, simply amassed oodles of moolah for itself by depending on the cheapest labor possible -- slavery -- while striking preposterous, sentimental, hypocritical stances against slavery. I invite anyone to review Wikipedia's entry on Britain's involvement in the Civil War and challenge that interpretation or dispute Wikipedia's facts: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_in_the_American_Civil_War>

BTW, one key example of Britain's sly collusion with the rebel US South is that the Confederacy's most successful commerce raider, the CSS Alabama, was built in Birkenhead, England. The Alabama, sunk by the Union Navy off the coast of France in 1864, did enormous damage to Union shipping. As Wikipedia reports: "During her two-year career as a commerce raider, Alabama had caused disorder and devastation across the globe for United States merchant shipping. The Confederate cruiser claimed more than 60 prizes valued at nearly $6,000,000. In an important development in international law, the U.S. Government pursued the 'Alabama Claims' against the British Government for such devastation, and following a court of arbitration, won heavy damages."

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Alabama>

Carl

On 11/5/07, andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> No, England didn't. The Confederacy hoped the Brits
> would support them. Much of their diplomacy was aimed
> at gaining recognition. The Brits played their cards
> pretty close the chest, waiting to see who would win.
> The Brits were willing to recognize the South despite
> British loathing and distaste for slavery, both
> working class (Marx noted this) and upper class -- if
> it was going to be a separate country. But of course
> the Brits didn't want to antagonize the Union if it
> was going to win either. There were several points
> where British recognition might have helped tip the
> scales, but it was not forthcoming. That doesn't mean
> that the Brits didn't use cotton, etc., produced by
> slavery from 1833 through 1860 (and what the blockade
> runners were able to get out), but that's not the same
> thing. I'm not attributing especially lofty motives to
> the Brits, they were playing great power politics.
> They would have recognized the South if they thought
> it had been in their interests. They just calculated,
> in the end, that it wasn't. However, few in any
> classes in England cared for slavery.
>
> --- Carl Remick <carlremick at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 11/5/07, andie nachgeborenen
> > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Brits got rid of slavery by a combination of
> > > common law -- it was always illegal in England --
> > and
> > > an Act of Parliament (1833) abolishing the slave
> > > trade.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the Brits
> > merely outsourced
> > slavery? After all, England supported the
> > Confederacy during the US
> > Civil War.
> >
> > Carl



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