[lbo-talk] Idea

[Jim Straub]

I'm not so active on the list right now but this topic does sound like
fertile ground for the lobsters.  Charles' assertion has me wondering:
do any reasonable radicals still regard china as being on the march to
socialism, like, for real?  I'm not even entirely unsympathetic to
what China is up to in general, but I thought it was universally
accepted on the left that they're not really heading to socialism
through capitalism anymore.  I know there's enough sects out there for
there to be a few groups (and a few dozen splinters of those) who
believe anything, but here on this list, are there people who would
take up the position and carry the banner, that china is still doing
it for the great red utopia of proletarian communism for the future?

As to Doug's proposition, I concur.  But- Freedom Road has struck me
as having a good and reasonable take on a mostly old-school m-l-m
program.  I kinda doubt their left refoundation thing is gonna happen
and reposition parties on the bolshevik model to make the rev happen,
but, they do a better job than anyone else of seeming to think deeply
about how to get moving in that direction again.

Jim

On Nov 7, 2007 4:40 PM,  <lbo-talk-request at lbo-talk.org> wrote:
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> Yale Political Union debate style: "Resolved: If the left is ever to
> revive, all the vanguard parties on the Bolshevik model must go
> extinct."
>
> Doug
>
> ^^^^
> CB: I'll take the negative.
>
> The Bolivarians have this Bolshevikian feel about them, and the
> Bolivarians are a big left revival.  And then the Cuban vanguard has
> been vivacious straight through.   And we mustn't utterly discount the
> Chinese vanguard's claim to be on the road to socialism without
> bypassing capitalism.
>