[lbo-talk] gloom

[bitch at pulpculture.org]

well, it's precisely what carrol's talking about, isn't it? he tends to 
think it will be crises. in the end, if history shows that its economic 
good times, whatever. you're both embracing the same idea. it didn't just 
happen, but happened *also* because there were years of work involved 
preparing the soil so to speak.

that is pretty much all anyone who takes the view you denounced in previous 
post is talking about: it's not history determines events solely, but that 
history *and* people make it happen. they never say that we are blades 
grass blown by the economic winds and we can do nothing to encourage along 
our own circumstances, only emerging to fight revolutionary struggles when 
the economy is just so.  they say that these economic conditions can help 
foment and strengthen revolutionary struggles already being undertaken, 
when events throw people into situations that demand that they take action, 
when they can no longer ignore the circumstances, etc. etc. the tiring 
thing about reading you on the topic is that you uselessly spend most of 
your time setting up a straw man to knock down, and then picking the straw 
off your sweatpants and acting like some old timer marxist dumped the straw 
on you.

Oh! Yeah. Happy Genocide Day!

At 12:42 AM 11/22/2007, Chuck wrote:


>Movements like the anti-globalization movement were built on years of
>organizing, campaigns synchronizing together and a few lucky breaks,
>like the Seattle cops going stupid for several days.