> Our empiricists don't get that because the imagination has been
> trained
> out of them.
Hmm, so not only do we have to adjust bourgeois accounting categories, we have to re-train our imaginations to see the crisis?
Tahir: Yes, of course. You are no doubt now saying that there is no such thing as bourgeois consciousness, ideology, forms of abstraction, etc. You're getting closer to the truth, the truth about what you really think, Doug. The alternatives to bourgeois thought are all forms of religion and/or psychosis, according to you, no?
Poverty and other forms of social misery have been capital's constant
companions from the first. I only have to walk out the door right here in a comfy neighborhood in Manhattan to see a shoeless guy poking around the trash for food.
Tahir: This is not what was said. You've managed to substitute something of your own for what I said, something that you find easy to answer. I didn't mention 'poverty'.
I doubt it's worse now than it was 100 years ago. The climate crisis is real, and doesn't require much imaginative training to see. But if we have to wait for socialist revolution to solve that problem, we're doomed.
Tahir: No-one spoke about waiting for anything. Again you're replying to a much easier stereotyped argument than the one that was made. Can we just get something down here for the record - you're not going to answer the question about Marx, value and Capital, are you? Doug, no-one, including me, will like you less for coming clean. On the contrary. You'll even be relieved yourself to finally throw off that Marxist monkey - it doesn't make you happy. You know that. Testify, brother.
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