[lbo-talk] Seduction of Islam (was "Suck Cock to Beat the Draft" . . . )

andie nachgeborenen andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 12 17:53:36 PDT 2007


Your doublethink is Eraserhead brain-exploding. The fundamentalist Islam you like has a fanatically puritan hatred of sex and fear of women. The sex you like is feminist and exploratory. So see if you can figure out why no one else agrees with you on both.

--- Yoshie Furuhashi <critical.montages at gmail.com> wrote:


> On 10/11/07, andie nachgeborenen
> <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So, have you converted yet?
>
> On 10/11/07, B. <docile_body at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I think I still prefer Yoshie's bizarre, erotic
> > political fan fiction about Islam and Iran.
> >
> > I wanna see where she goes with this, if she's
> able to
> > perhaps concoct a new hypothetical pleasure dome
> in a
> > mythical Xanadu like other Orientalist
> romanticists
> > before her, in these purely conjectural,
> titillating
> > flights of fancy of hers.
>
>
<http://montages.blogspot.com/2007/10/seduction-of-islam.html>
> Seduction of Islam
>
> Western discourse about Islam today resembles
> Western discourse about
> homosexuality* before Stonewall: if you find "them"
> attractive, you
> either are or will soon become "one of them." This
> discourse imagines
> the relationship between the Westerner and Islam as
> if it were a
> sexual proposition: "One could liken Islam to a
> proposal of marriage
> made by a highly eligible if somewhat authoritarian
> man. In both
> cases, there is naturally a great temptation to
> accept the proposal,
> even if one's mind shyly raises some objections"
> (Stefan Weidner, "The
> Mystery of Conversion -- Why Islam Can Also Prove So
> Seductive to
> Westerners," Trans. Chris Cave, Goethe-Institut,
> September 2007). What
> is fascinating, the West is feminized in this
> usually Islamophobic,
> occasionally Islamophilic discourse (this
> Goethe-Institut article
> combines both qualities).
>
> What should a historical materialist do about this
> anxious turn in
> Orientalism? Take it and turn it against itself.
> Appropriation is the
> name of the micro-political game here, in service to
> the
> macro-political Great Game to expropriate the
> empire. A historical
> materialist literary conceit for that may be, "I am
> the Western
> Civilization that ought to have existed but never
> did, being in love
> with, and proposing a temporary marriage (a
> quintessentially Shi'i
> custom) to, the Islamic Republic that is not yet but
> shall be."
>
> * Quentin Crisp said in a documentary about
> Hollywood representation
> of homosexuality: "Mainstream people dislike
> homosexuality because
> they can't help concentrating on what homosexual men
> do to one
> another. And when you contemplate what people do,
> you think of
> yourself doing it. . . . That's the famous joke: I
> don't like peas,
> and I'm glad I don't like them, because if I liked
> them, I would eat
> them, and I would hate them" (The Celluloid Closet,
> Dir. Robert
> Epstein and Jeffrey Friedman [based upon the work of
> film historian
> Vito Russo, The Celluloid Closet: Homosexuality in
> the Movies], 1995).
>
> On 10/12/07, ravi <ravi at platosbeard.org> wrote:
> > On 12 Oct, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Lenin's Tomb wrote:
> > >
> > > Of course, if you consider it in light of what
> it does - which is
> > > usually to eroticise domination up to and
> including violent
> > > rape - it becomes less boring or comical than
> sinister and sick.
> >
> > Yikes, you need to get out of that Tomb more! The
> above is like so
> > pre-fifth-wave-feminism! Porn is empowering!
> Embrace it. It's not my
> > horniness that makes me watch porn, bro... its
> your prudishness that
> > preventing you from doing the same! ;-)
>
> Why is it that people who agree with me on sex don't
> agree with me on
> Iran and Islam and people who agree with me on Iran
> and Islam don't
> agree with me on sex? ;-)
> --
> Yoshie
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