> Yeah but one of the leaders of the UAP was one of the major organizers behind the "October Rebellion." Diversity and cross-pollination is great, but that's the problem with the Georgetown action-it was a one note show.
If we are talking about Luke--who is an excelent activist--why is the UAP relevant? Luke has also been a member of MGJ for much of its existence. Perhaps using your logic MGJ should be blamed for the Georgetown protest.
Why was the Georgetown protest a one note show? It was *one* protest in a weekend of protests. What you aren't seeing is that the people who organized the Georgetown protests also got people to attend other protests and events through the weekend.
> It reminds me of the end of the Life of Brian when the Judean People's Front sends their suicide squad to rescue Brian, which turns out to mean stabbing themselves to death in front of him. This ain't Kindergarden...you don't get points for effort. I would rather you do nothing than something counter productive.
I see nothing counterproductive in the protest.
>>Guess what, Alex? When anti-capitalists throw bricks, the community gets > it too. We are part of communities. We all talked to people in our > communities who support our actions. Their most common complaint is that > we hold back too much and stick with tame protests. People love hearing > about yuppie chain stores getting bricked.
> Sounds like bullshit to me. I used to know a Workers League member who was convinced that workers at GM he sold newspapers were concerned about the struggle against Pabloism and thought the AFL-CIO needed to call for a Labor Party right away. Didn't buy it from him either.
I'm just reporting what people have said to me and other friends. You can dismiss this if it doesn't fit your conclusions, but I know that these actions usually are supported by people in the community.
> That's true, but throwing bricks will increase the possibility that cops will mess with your demo. I could be hit by lighting at any moment, but standing out in the middle of field with steel rod during a storm will make more of a possibility.
So what you are saying is that people should always stick with protests that get permission from the authorities.
Uh, that's NOT how social change works buddy.
> No, but organizers should be aware of what they look like and what it communicates to people outside their culture.
Why? The only people who have problem with how protesters look are: 1) right wingers who need some stereotype which can be used to demonize dissidents; and 2) uptight leftists who are way too worried about their image. People should dress how they want to dress.
You know, non-activists and non-protesters really don't have any problem with the look of protesters. They may crack jokes, but they understand that the reasons for the protest are much more important than what people wear to the protest.
I used to be more uptight about how people looked at protests, until I figured out that it doesn't matter and that our movement should embody our ideas and our diversity.
> Organizing who and what? Members of their own subculture? An averge member of the Rainbow tribe is much more advanced than I am when it comes to organzing road trips to jam band concerts.
The Rainbow Family also organized an important relief facility in Waveland, Mississipi after Hurricane Katrina. When they decided to close down after several months, local residents begged them to stay.
I'd rather put my life in the hands of these people than in somebody who was more worried about some protester dress code.
>>>Do you bother to look at the pictures of our new infoshop that I shared > with the list. That space was put together by crusty punks who you'd > dismiss in a second.
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> You just made my point.
What was your point again? Are you dismissing the abilities of my friends who put together this amazing project with very few resources? Are you dismissing a project that has been well-received by the community?
Whatever, dude. I'll stick with what works.
Chuck