[lbo-talk] Question for Bryan Atinsky (or anybody else)

Chris Doss lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 14 15:36:18 PDT 2007


Thanks Bryan. I am forwarding your comments to the relevant blog (Sean's Russia Blog.)

--- Bryan Atinsky <bryan at alt-info.org> wrote:


> Hey Chris,
>
> The dominant argument here regarding the situation
> with these Neo-Nazis
> in Israel seems to be of seeing them as "not really
> Jewish" Russians who
> got here on a technicality of the Law of Return
> which says: "the rights
> of an oleh [immigrant] under any other enactment,
> are also vested in a
> child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a
> Jew, the spouse of a
> child of a Jew and the spouse of a grandchild of a
> Jew, except for a
> person who has been a Jew and has voluntarily
> changed his religion."
>
> Apparently, the majority (or all I am not sure) of
> those arrested came
> here through having one grandparent who was Jewish,
> so there has been
> discussion/argument now about needing to change the
> Law of Return in
> some way that would make it either not possible for
> them to make Aliyah
> in the future, or to have a formal way of revoking
> it. However, I don't
> see this as going anywhere, because Israel is
> scrounging around for as
> many immigrants as possible (as long as they aren't
> Muslim or
> Palestinian), for the demographic war they see
> themselves as being in,
> and they have a hard enough time with it already...
>
> Apparently, Arik (Eli) Bunyatov, 21, who I guess is
> seen as the
> ring-leader of the neo-nazi group arrested, stated:
> "My grandfather was
> a half-Jewboy. I will not have children so that this
> trash will not be
> born with even a tiny [percentage] of Jewboy blood."
>
> Israeli Industry, Trade, and Labor Minister Eli
> Yishai of the Shas
> (Mizrahi Orthodox) Party stated: "These people are
> not fit to be called
> people. They are a cancer." and called for their
> citizenship to be revoked.
>
> The main theme here is externalizing the
> problem...these aren't really
> Jews, and these aren't really Israelis...there was
> discussion that they
> were connected to Format 18 and that this is a
> Russian problem and this
> has nothing to do with the real social problems in
> Israel or issues with
> how well absorbing of immigrants goes. (there is
> some discussion of
> these internal social problematics among the typical
> Left and liberal
> media outlets, but by far not dominant or majority
> opinion)
>
>
>
> Chris Doss wrote:
> > As I'm sure you know, a neo-Nazi group composed of
> > teenagers whose parents emigrated from the former
> > Soviet Union was busted up a few days ago in Tel
> Aviv.
> > We've been discussing this on a Russia-themed blog
> I
> > frequent (this one: http://seansrussiablog.org/ )
> and
> > even though the subject is properly Israel, a
> certain
> > nut keeps turning it back in circles as part of
> his
> > crazed attempt to deny that anti-Semitism has ever
> > existed in Russia. Since these people grew up in
> > Israel I don't see what this has to do with
> anything.
> > Anyway, I was wondering if you could tell me what
> the
> > buzz is in Israel about this? (If you'd let me
> forward
> > your comments to teh blog, I'd appreciate it.)
> Thanks!
> >
>
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