[lbo-talk] Support Bloomberg and Rafsanjani? (was Re: Rafsanjani to lead key Iran body)

Yoshie Furuhashi critical.montages at gmail.com
Sun Sep 16 08:27:12 PDT 2007


On 9/15/07, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote:
>
> On Sep 15, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>
> >> Aren't you observing a posting moratorium for Ramadan?
> >
> > Maybe you think that Islam is not a major religion, which can interest
> > non-believers, but a contagious disease or something like that.
>
> Islam is a major religion? I had no idea! Thanks for the tip.
>
> > Speaking of Muslims, Tariq Ali said in an interview: "For socialists
> > the task is clear: the Muslim communities must be defended against
> > being made scapegoats, against repression, against the very widespread
> > representation that terrorism is proper to Islam. All that must be
> > energetically fought. But at the same time we must not close our eyes
> > to the social conservatism which reigns in these communities, nor hide
> > it. We have to try to win this people to our own ideas" (" The
> > Anti-Imperialist Left Confronted with Islam," IV Online 376, March
> > 2006,
> > <http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article1012=>). But
> > what are "our own ideas" to which we are to win "this people" over?
> > If it's basically "Vote for Moderates," then the idea would have a
> > better chance of winning them over if it doesn't come saddled with
> > tortured socialist justifications for it.
>
> Ok, you think the Western left is bereft of ideas. That's not a
> position I'm unfamiliar with, you know. But what are your ideas? You
> write as if you've got a secret knowledge that the rest of us should
> be lucky to have. That's been the constant ever since I first made
> your acquaintance more than 10 years ago - when you were a Leninist,
> when you were a green, and now that you're a whatever you are, you
> were always more radical, more steely, and more authentic than anyone
> else. As far as I can tell, your current idea is that the Western
> left should ape some of the organized superstitions. Could you
> disclose some more of your suggestions?

I've raised many questions and offered some suggestions. Here's another one. Let's say a Muslim man or woman happens to find this mailing list by chance while Googling the Net in search of information so he or she can better understand US economy. This hypothetical Muslim individual would have much to learn from you. He or she may even have much in common with you, already critical of the American power elite's handling of US economy, US foreign policy, and so forth, though not in possession of analytical tools and empirical data that you have. Would your suggesting that religion is essentially nothing but an organized superstition help him or her learn from you, or would it create an unnecessary cultural barrier?

That's a hypothetical Muslim. Here's what a real-world one has to say about the same remark by Tariq Ali on which I commented here and on my blog:

It is interesting to note that for Tariq Ali the task is

not about self-determination, but rather, ultimately

about "winning people to our own ideas" i.e. as I

see it, playing the hearts and minds game - and

not accepting a Muslim communitys' right to define

our own traditions, goals, and modes of resistance. <http://ihsan-net.blogspot.com/2007/09/liberal-leftist-islamophobia-watch.html>

That is why I raised a question in a previous posting, in response to Tayssir John Gabbour's quotation of Michael Albert's criticism of classical Marxism: (at <http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20070827/016499.html>)

In part in criticism of the Respect coalition of the UK,

Tariq Ali, who is a sophisticated Marxist, says in an

interview: "For socialists the task is clear: the Muslim

communities must be defended against being made

scapegoats, against repression, against the very

widespread representation that terrorism is proper to

Islam. All that must be energetically fought. But at the

same time we must not close our eyes to the social

conservatism which reigns in these communities, nor

hide it. We have to try to win this people to our own

ideas" ("The Anti-Imperialist Left Confronted with

Islam," IV Online 376, March 2006,

<http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article1012=>).

That is all well and good, but what if people are not

interested in being won over to "our own ideas," at least

not wholesale, as most working people, not just Muslims,

appear not to be? Then what?

I offered my own answer, or rather some beginnings in an attempt to answer this question, here and on my blog:

Like Shi'ism, Marxism, too, is "a religion of protest.

It can only speak truth to power and destabilize it.

It can never be 'in power.' As soon as it is 'in power'

it contradicts itself" (Dabashi, p. 91). The career of

Marxism as the official philosophy of socialist states

has been, if anything, sadder than that of Shi'ism

as the official philosophy of a theocratic state.

Communism, when it becomes the opium for the

people administered by a state, tends to narcotize

and depoliticize them more than any religion can.

But that is not the destiny of Marxism either. It has

returned to its original vocation in Latin America and

Nepal. Can it in the Middle East?

Benjamin lived in an age when theology was

"wizened" and "[had] to keep out of sight." He thought

that historical materialism, if it enlisted the service of

theology, could easily be a match for any force. Today,

it is historical materialism that is "wizened" and "has to

keep out of sight," but its service will be indispensable

to any theology of discontent. <http://montages.blogspot.com/2006/08/marxism-and-shiism-as-theology-of.html>

The fourth thing that leftists need to begin to think

about is what kind of historical materialism may be

useful to Muslims as well as others who _will never

become historical materialists themselves_ but _may

still find historical materialism useful_ as an intellectual

tool in a certain context, such as in an attempt to

understand the empire's political economy, but not

as the only intellectual tool in all or even most contexts. <http://montages.blogspot.com/2007/08/can-leftists-come-to-terms-with-islamic.html>

You see, I'm proposing a different approach than winning people over to "our own ideas" wholesale, in other words, a different approach than seeking converts.


> On your "blog" you write:
>
> <http://montages.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-do-liberals-want.html>
> > What do liberals want, regarding the empire and its enemy number
> > one? It looks like the demand is now not so much "oppose the US
> > government and the Iranian regime" as support the rich men of both
> > countries who are advertised as "moderates" by the corporate media,
> > for example, rooting for men like Bloomberg1 and Rafsanjani2.
> >
> > While that's a slight improvement over favoring the US government
> > over the Iranian government under the guise of opposing both, it
> > also puts liberal advocacy for human rights in question. After all,
> > Rafsanjani, who has been at the center of power in Iran from the
> > very beginning of the Islamic Republic, is responsible for the
> > deaths of thousands of opposition activists and intellectuals for
> > which the current President of Iran isn't. As for the human rights
> > record of the ruling class of the empire, the people of Iran can
> > only look at the countries to their east and west and see what it is.
> >
> > 1 Exhibit A
> >
> > The editor of Left Business Observer (who endorsed John F. Kerry in
> > 2004) says this about Bloomberg:
> >
> > I don't think Bloomberg makes much difference for how the NYPD
> > operates. Instructions for the RNC 2004 almost certainly came down
> > from the White House, and I doubt things would have gone much
> > differently under Mark Green. . . . But things like 311 make
> > routine daily life easier. And you can be sure that FEMA would have
> > responded well to Katrina had Bloomberg been president. The
> > passport office wouldn't be backed up for three months like it is
> > now. The capitalist imperialist system would still go on, for sure,
> > but for your average Joe or Jo, things would run more smoothly.
> > (Doug Henwood, "Rudy's Braintrust," LBO-Talk, 14 September 2007)
>
> What is the point of posting something like this? My guess is that
> it's to prove yourself more radical, more steely, and more authentic
> than me, the liberal. Because otherwise it's not much of a political
> contribution.

Liberalism is the hegemonic ideology of global capitalism, and we are all, Muslims or Leninists or whatever our professed belief, are deeply affected by it. The way I look at it, most leftists have come to unconsciously adopt liberalism one way or another without having examined it. Unconscious adoption is more of a problem than conscious adoption like Andie's. The thing to do is to examine liberalism closely and then think carefully about what we want to do with it. -- Yoshie



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