I assume there are Christians in the bdsm community. What do they think?
--- BklynMagus <magcomm at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > I guess I'm not convinced (yet) because it seems
> to me that this hokey trivializing of Christian
> imagery by Christians themselves isn't yet a broad
> enough phenomenon.
>
> 1) I am not sure that it is hokey. Taking the image
>
> of the Last Supper, spreading the Leather Pride Flag
>
> in front of it, having Jesus as a Black leatherman,
> and evoking all the ritualistic aspects of bdsm
> (which
> include the St. John's Cross) within this context
> (which has its own history of bdsm behavior) is
> smart
> in a tongue-in-cheek way. Then add in all the
> agitating
> that the Christian Right does against the bdsm
> community,
> and you have a clever riposte. Maybe hokeyness is
> in the
> eye of the beholder.
>
> 2) Why do we have to wait for Christians to play
> with
> their imagery before we in the bdsm community do so?
>
>
> > On the contrary it seems to be confined to
> exceedingly lame Protestants under 30.
>
> What makes you say that?
>
> > One could argue, as it appears Doug and Andie
> would,
> that the advertisement in question is really an
> artistic
> expression playing on the undeniable fact that
> Catholicism has some sort of relationship with BDSM.
> &
> > I just don't buy it.
>
> Why? The intertwining of the two paradigms is
> fascinating.
> Next time you are in town I will take you on a
> dungeon
> crawl.
>
> > Rather, it was published "gratuitously, almost
> accidentally"
> for no other reason than that people would find it
> cute or
> provocative or blasphemous.
>
> The clever and intricate nature of the ad seems to
> belie any
> notions of it being either gatuitous or accidental.
>
> > If the ad is a statement beyond 'come to the
> Folsom Street
> Fair' that statement seems to be nothing more than
> '!!!ha,
> look how provocative I am!!!'
>
> It is much more than that. It is a statement of
> both the
> seriousness and sense of play that the bdsm
> community has with
> regard to itself. Some members argue for a strong
> spiritual
> aspect to wiitwd. Here is a link to a fairly good
> book on the
> spiritual side of fisting.
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0962475157/ref=nosim/?tag=pricegrabber-books-20&creative=380333&creativeASIN=0962475157&linkCode=asn
>
>
> > I just continue to take issue with the
> advertisement -- although I
> readily acknowledge that maybe I shouldn't.
>
> Maybe you just do not like to see religion mocked.
>
> Brian
>
>
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