[lbo-talk] post analytical Marxist era/ post liberal era

[Charles Brown]

Right.  Marx's is a theory of _political_economy. And from "Contribution
to Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right ", through the _The Manifesto
of the Communist Party_ ( a political party), "The Critique of the Gotha
Program" ( a political program), Engels' _The Origin of the Family,
Private Property and the *State*_, and Lenin's _The *State* and
Revolution_, Marxism is an integrated discussion of politics, economy
(classes) and society. The theory preserves the best of liberal
idealism, and goes further.

 Of course, actual efforts to practice this theory have fallen short,
but no less than the actual efforts to practice liberal ideals have
fallen short.

In some venues, it might be the best tactic to call ourselves
"liberals", maybe "liberals - plus" and "secret in" commie ideas, but on
this list, why not declare openly for the best we know ?

Interesting on Friedman. I recall you saying he was for paying the poor
a decent income too, or something like that - negative tax on the poor ?
Go figure.

Charles


>>> andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> 09/26/2007
11:05 PM >>>
Well, I am a socialist as well as a liberal, so I
agree that the best _social order_ involves a right to
a job or income. You can call that a political right
if you want, there are arguments to be made for doing
so, although I don't call it political but social and
economic myself; but whatever terms you use we agree
that a right to a job or income is a real right. Btw,
Milton Friedman thought it was, if not a right, then
sound policy.

--- Charles Brown <charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us>
wrote:


>  andie nachgeborenen :
> 
>     "Political liberalism is the view that the best
> form of government
>     involves universal suffrage, competitive
> elections, and extensive
>     political and civil liberties."
> 
> 
> ^^^^^
> CB: We now know that the political liberal view is
> fundamentally
> deficient. The best form of government  involves 
> GUARANTEE OF A RIGHT
> TO A JOB OR INCOME, universal suffrage, competitive
> elections, and
> extensive  political and civil liberties.  The "best
> form of government"
> you describe fails to take account of the thinking
> and experience of the
> last 150 years. Your definition was fresh in the
> period of Jefferson. It
> was superceded in the period of Marx. We've been in
> a post-liberal era
> for longer than in a post-Marxist era. Your
> definition is a "back to the
> future" one. Your definition is idealist political
> thinking. Materialist
> political thinking has overcome idealist political
> thinking as the
> best.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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