<div>Well said, Joanna...</div> <div>Theory follows practice, not the other way around. Racism, for example, followed slavery as a means of justification.</div> <div>People in the US will work (and are working) on all the haunting issues within the context of bourgeois society. Just as we have developed the physical infrastructure, that expertise will carry over in a time of crisis.</div> <div>Russia's problem back in the day is kinda the reverse of ours-- too many forward-thinking intelligentsia with relatively well-formed ideas, just not the material situation to back them up. Instead a whole different kind of material situation emerged-- driven home by meaningless capitalist warfare.</div> <div>Whereas, the US has meaningless capitalist warfare, no coherent left intellectuals who can emerge as leaders, but precisely the appropriate material situation.</div> <div>--adx<BR><BR><B><I>joanna <123hop@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE
class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>>[WS:] I am not disputing that, but these are not uniquely *socialist*<BR>>issues. Almost everyone is for a genuine democracy, clean and safe<BR>>environment, and world peace. What is missing is a *socialist master<BR>>theory* - to borrow a cognitivist phrase - a coherent interpretative frame<BR>>that is uniquely distinctive to a socialist movement - something akin to the<BR>>theory of value and the derived from it imperative of public ownership of<BR>>the means of production for the "Old Left." There were many social<BR>>movements in the 19th century seeking a betterment of the working class -<BR>>utopian, mutualist, religious, luddite, or even reactionary. But the<BR>>Marxist brand of socialism was unique thanks to their master theory. This<BR>>is what I am asking for - not a laundry list of what needs to change, no<BR>>matter how
justified.<BR>><BR>But why does a master theory have to come first? Just to make sure that <BR>the intelligentisa can keep the mental gears going without missing a beat?<BR><BR>Why could the theories and principles not emerge from the practice of <BR>making concrete things happen -- like developing green energy, reforming <BR>education, implementing a universal health system, etc. Because, after <BR>all, if we manage to make those things happen they will affect people's <BR>consciousness of what communalism might be good for and people gain <BR>skills/knowledge/pride in making them happen.<BR><BR>Because, bottom line, you can't eat theory. The Russian Revolution was <BR>driven forward by "Land, Peace, and Bread." -- right?<BR>Not by the labor theory of value. And, it could be argued, that a good <BR>deal of the harm that followed was due much more to the pursuit of the <BR>logic of ideas (or the use of those ideas as cover) than to anything else.<BR><BR>Always
suspicious of theory.<BR><BR>OK. Now you can all pile on.<BR><BR>Joanna<BR><BR><BR>___________________________________<BR>http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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