<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Joanna wrote:<BR></STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>> "I'd say this is a major motif in discussions about sex in our society: <BR>> our sexual activity is supposed to express some deep, immutable, <BR>> essential component of who we are.  Witness the stigmatization of <BR>> bisexuals: they get as much (if not more!) social censure from gays as <BR>> they do from hets because "they can't make up their minds". "<BR>> <BR>> It's not so  much censure as a "this does not compute" look.<BR>> <BR>> Joanna</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Here we are again at the crux of the matter.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>In the society we live---the class based society---everybody is stigmatized: What does Bush or Clinton or anybody else rate the life of a worker or soldier for? Isn't the animal in the animal farm far higher in price and rated far higher than the life of a worker. Aren't there thieves, scoundrels, criminals, feudalists, capitalits, beasts of all varieties living in the form of  bipeds under the capitalist society?</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>The crux of the matter then again is, is it is the social conditioning, the enculturation, the social system that breeds us, our views, our likings and dislikings; or something else? If it is something else, we need to find that. If it is the society, the social set-up, then despising the thief, and punishing him, is tantamount to saying that CAPITALISM IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY MISERY IN THE WORLD.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Ramesh</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial></FONT></STRONG> </DIV></BODY></HTML>