[lbo-talk] Marx on the credit crunch? (Science, History, Freedom)

[John Thornton]

Eubulides wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Charles Brown
> <charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us> wrote:
>  ^^^^^
>   
>>  CB: There's the old Hegelian trope that freedom is the mastery of
>>  necessity. The "realm of necessity" and the "realm of freedom" use
>>  freedom and necessity in this sense.  With class divided society,
>>  including capitalism, there is enormous mastery of nature with much
>>  technology, but the vast majority don't get the full benefit of the
>>  technological control of nature because they are forced to jump through
>>  so many artificial  hoops to get their necessary necessities , as you
>>  put it.
>>     
>
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> The "enormous mastery of nature", yet another ridiculous illusion; I
> hope you don't share it CB.

Ridiculous illusion is right.
Tell a chiropterologist or apiologist that humans have "enormous 
mastery" or "technological control" over nature and see how long it 
takes them to either stop laughing or gasping.
All of our hives are gone and we won't try to replenish any this year.

John Thornton