[lbo-talk] To each according to work

Bill Bartlett billbartlett at aapt.net.au
Sat Apr 19 18:04:59 PDT 2008


At 1:07 AM -0700 19/4/08, andie nachgeborenen wrote:
>Good questions. The problem is exactly the fair distribution of
>benefits and burdens. It's unfair, and it undermines social
>solidarity and stability, for some people to get struck doing
>drudgery or dirty, dangerous work while others do nothing. It's good
>if people enjoy their work, and I do not assume that work HAS to be
>unpleasant, I just observe that some necessary work IS unpleasant.
>It people enjoy their work, that's a benefits, also to be
>distributed fairly.
>
>Please note that Bill didges the question John raises and I was
>discussing, that some able bodied people should be permitted to do
>_nothing_ -- not good work, not bad work, just goofing off -- while
>enjoying the benefits created by those who do work. John doesn't
>believe there are such people. Maybe Bill doesn't either. I don't
>think they get out and around enough.

Well of course there are such people. We live in a capitalist society, where the highest social status is afforded to those who are able to enjoy all the benefits and avoid all obligations. Our entire system is designed to protect them, the economy is carefully honed so as to manufacture scarcity for the rest of us, to highlight and enhance the contrast. Thus manufacturing a desire to be one of the privileged idlers, as opposed to one of those compelled to work.

But that doesn't prove that in a completely different society, people would behave the same way.

And even if a few did, so what? We can afford a sizeable percentage of shirkers now, so why wouldn't we be able to afford a few in a socialist society? At least they wouldn't be the ruling class, at least they wouldn't be afforded any special privileges or the very highest status. In fact they would have no status at all, there would be no need to envy them. On the contrary, they would have the same status as those who were physically or mentally unfit to contribute.

But as soon as you start trying to compel people, you start needing the policing systems to enforce it. Huge bureaucracies to count the hours everyone works, to make up rules and assess all the exemptions for sickness, emotional etc reasons. This corrupts the health system, making health workers defacto shirker police, it goes on and on and on. Eventually you need a higher level of police to govern the police, you need a government and inevitably, you need a ruling class to control them.

All these millions of people, all these onerous rules and rulers, just so you don't have to think about how to make necessary work less unpleasant. Its insanity and I mean that literally.


>In some rough and ready way, people should me made to share the
>benefits ands burdens of social life on terms they find mutually
>acceptable. That means that no one who can work gets to goof off at
>other's expense -- that is exploitation. It means that unpleasant
>work or qualitatively similar burdens should be distributed fairly.

Unpleasant work should be made pleasant I believe. Work doesn't have to be a form of punishment. To each according to work is not socialism. It is a mental illness.

Bill Bartlett Bracknell Tas



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