[lbo-talk] Doug's case against Naomi Klein

Chris Doss lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 29 10:43:43 PDT 2008


Yeah, a lot of discourse gives the impression that the people doing the discoursing think the ruling classes are composed exclusively of diabolical egomaniacal monsters imposing their will on the exclusively angelic and right-thinking other layers of society.

--- Angelus Novus <fuerdenkommunismus at yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>
> Chris Doss:
>
> > I'm not sure that the statement that the ruling
> ideas
> > of any age are the ideas of its ruling classes
> would
>
> > really stand up to scrutiny, except as a
> tautology.
>
> I agree with Chris on this point. People's thoughts
> and actions within capitalism are always occurring
> *within* the framework of the system itself.
>
> I think if one reads Marx closely, it is clear that
> the society of generalized commodity production and
> exchange possesses a specific logic that *every*
> member of society is forced to adhere to or risk
> personal ruin.
>
> Capitalism is also a society with social classes,
> but
> that is not what *distinguishes* it *as* capitalism.
>
> Class societies have existed for millenia before
> capitalism, and in Marx's account in Capital, the
> section on social classes comes at the end of Vol. 3
> and then the manuscript breaks off. It is clear
> that
> classes here are a derivative category of the
> commodity form.
>
> Capitalism also has specific accompanying
> ideological
> forms, such as Racism (not to be confused with
> pre-capitalist xenophobia), Anti-semitism (not to be
> confused with medieval religious hatred of Jews),
> Social Darwinism, capitalist forms of patriarchy
> etc.
> But these ideologies are not specifically ruling
> class
> ideas, but rather general ideologies of this society
> that all social classes more or less succumb to.
>
> This is essentially the problem with people like
> Naomi
> Klein: even when they bother to address capitalism
> as
> a specific social form, it is always conceived as a
> conspiracy of a devious ruling class, rather than an
> objective social structure with its own peculiar
> logic
> that we all reproduce daily. I once saw a piece of
> street art by the A.G. Gender Killer
> <http://www.gender-killer.de> which made this point
> very well:
>
> "Capitalism Is Not a Capitalist Conspiracy: It Works
> Because You Work!"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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