Bezerovsky was a sack of shit, but do you think it was, as Uncle Joe, himself a considerable anti-semite, would say, an accident that they went after the Jewish oligarch?
Oh, yeah, right, I'm oversensitive. "You people" always are. No one cares about your, er, ethnic background in the new Russia, as long as you aren't some filthy Chechen or Armenian or something like that. Yeah. Right. Stop smoking your own dope, Chris.
--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Dies at 89 (NY Times)
> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 6:34 PM
> Well, it is true that the word "rossiyanin" is
> only about 15 years old, introduced to give an idea of
> non-ethnic-based national belonging. Previously it would
> have been "Soviet peoples" in that peculiar Soviet
> "you can wear your funny hat as long as you do what
> you're told" kind of way, and in the Tsarist period
> really they conceptualized things mostly in terms of
> religion -- passports would say, e.g., "Orthodox, a
> subject of the Tsar" rather than "Russian" or
> "Ukrainian" or what-have-you.
>
> Not that it really matters now that "nationality"
> is no longer given on internal passports.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, andie nachgeborenen
> <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Technically, maybe. But Jews have't been treated
> as
> > Russian of any sort in Russia/USSR/Russia, maybe ever.
> Not
> > like the Welsh in the UK. Maybe more like the Irish.
> > (Certainly not like the Scots!) We've been
> regarded as
> > Yids.
> >
> > When I have time I will tell you the story about
> > Ryabakov's DiL.
> >
> > And assimilation has to be both sides. German Jews
> between
> > the wars thought they were assimilated Germans. The
> Germans,
> > however, disagreed.
> >
> > You know the Wessi/Ossi joke from unification, right?
> >
> > Ossie: Wir sind ein Volk!
> > Wessie: Wir auch!
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Chris Doss
> > <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
> Dies at
> > 89 (NY Times)
> > > To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
> > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:08 PM
> > > Well, yes and no. A Russian Evrei is a
> Rossiyanin, a
> > member
> > > of the class of Eurasian peoples, alongside
> Russians,
> > > Chuvash, Tatars, Ossetians, etc. etc. etc. He or
> she
> > is not
> > > a Russian, which is an ethnocultural category.
> As, for
> > > instance, the Welsh and Scots are British, but
> not
> > English.
> > >
> > > Of course, these things are much more blurred
> today
> > now
> > > that 99% of Russian Jews are assimilated, as
> opposed
> > to 80
> > > years ago, when they spoke a different language
> and
> > had a
> > > totally different culture.
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 8/4/08, andie nachgeborenen
> > > <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I would not be considered a Russian.
> > Least of
> > > all
> > > > by AS.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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