[lbo-talk] Sad Leninism.

boddi satva lbo.boddi at gmail.com
Wed Aug 20 15:14:58 PDT 2008


On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Chris Doss <lookoverhere1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> The Russian numbers are actually the original statement by the S. Ossetians on the very first day of the conflict.

By which you mean, of course, "the numbers the South Ossetians could not possibly have known with any accuracy but which served perfectly as propaganda to support the Russian counter-offensive and which numbers ended up to be untrue."

Those numbers?


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> --- On Wed, 8/20/08, John Thornton <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> From: John Thornton <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] Sad Leninism.
>> To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 3:23 PM
>> I realized right after I sent this I should have grabbed the
>> link.
>> I simply Googled "Red Cross South Ossetia estimated
>> deaths" and this was
>> one the pages that came up.
>> Having seen the pictures from Tskhinvali I don't see
>> how the toll could
>> be less than 1000.
>> Any reported numbers much below 800 are immediately as
>> suspect as
>> anything much above 1500 in my opinion.
>> Everybody lies during a military conflict.
>>
>> John Thornton
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>>
>> Gar Lipow wrote:
>> >> The Red Cross says independent observers have
>> confirmed at least 1600 dead
>> >> civilians in South Ossetia.
>> >>
>> >> John Thornton
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Can you provide a link please.
>> >
>> > Because what I'm seeing from the Red Cross are
>> complaints that they
>> > can't access South Ossetia.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=94517709-8236-4cb5-a8f2-0b251b50405b
>> >
>> > I'm also seeing that Russia seems to have lowered
>> its estimates:
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7572635.stm
>> >
>> > I'm sure the 44 estimate is too low. But if the
>> 1,600 number proves to
>> > be off by around a factor of ten that really does
>> justify the term
>> > "dispoportionate" as a description of what
>> Moscow did. Given U.S.
>> > actions in Iraq and Afghanistan (just to mention the
>> most recent U.S.
>> > invasions) we are in no position to criticize. But we
>> don't have to
>> > excuse or be too ready to accept Russian numbers
>> without questioning
>> > them either.
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