On Dec 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Chris Doss wrote:
> ...In Ireland, I imagine, it is associated with Irish nationalism...
Parnell
Shane Mage
> This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
> always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
> kindling in measures and going out in measures."
>
> Herakleitos of Ephesos