Caught a segment on abortion on the Dublin radio station Newstalk 106 yesterday.
The pro-lifer was outright lying, saying that the Brits had no term limits. Interestingly she framed the 'pro-life' argument in heavily theraputic psuedo-feminist terms.
Worse still, the pro-choice speaker, a columnist with the (conservative) Irish Independent newspaper said she was not in favour of abortion on demand and was against late abortion.
Jason...
On 11 Dec 2008, at 11:58, Wendy Lyon <wendy.lyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/12/2008, Jenny Brown <jbrown72073 at cs.com> wrote:
>
>> Is the Catholic Church's official position that barrier
>> methods/ C.I. are murder? I thought they climbed down from that
>> centuries
>> ago. Yes, there's a resurgence of that charge with the birth
>> control pill
>> and MAP here, but it's based on a theory of secondary action which
>> classes
>> those forms of birth control as possible abortions. In other
>> words, when
>> birth control is murder it's only because it's an extremely early
>> abortion.
>
> Frankly, I think you're drawing a distinction without a difference.
> Their position, as far as I understand it, is that all "artificial"
> methods of birth control are not only morally wrong but seriously
> morally wrong, and additionally that any methods that act after
> fertilisation are also murder. If this is a change from a previous
> position that saw all birth control as murder, it's a real stretch to
> call it a "liberalization". I'd just call it a tactical change in
> focus.
>
>> In the U.S. the rhetoric of the right on abortion is around race
>> and immigration, if you listen closely,
>
> You're probably listening more closely than I am, since I haven't
> lived there for almost nine years now. Can you point me to any
> specific examples? I have to say it really hasn't featured in the
> debate here at all, even though race and immigration are pretty hot
> issues at the moment. There was a renewed debate in Britain over the
> summer too, due to a Conservative attempt to roll back the 24-week
> time limit (which was decisively rejected, thankfully), as well as a
> hysterical anti-abortion propaganda piece on Channel 4, but I didn't
> hear a lot of race-baiting in that debate either.
>
>> I have my theory on why the abortion rights movement is not willing
>> to go there, but this is not the forum.
>
> Why not? I'm interested.
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