On Doug's principle that part of what pissed people off in the 90s was higher expectations set by the Clinton campaign, getting a dem in office after 12 years of Reagan/Bush, then helping the progressives in name only and people who think this will change race relations in the country get what they asked for sounds like a plan. Since, of course, there's no way on earth they will get what they asked for.
They will especially not get any withdrawal from Iraq, since nearly every one I read thinks that this is why Obama is better than Clinton. feh. (It is my contention, of course, that NO ONE will pull the troops out of Iraq, so this isn't about Obama or Clinton so much as about the bigger picture.)
Now, on the principle that this will contribute to social unrest, then i say: Vote for Obama!
Of course,I'm not voting at all.... I am not registered in my new state.
And of course, another aspect of Doug's inchoate theory about social change is that it takes place while the economy is doing fairly well. On that, we'll have to see. At the very least, on the principle that it might be worth having another empirical test case, I say "Vote for Obama! So we can experiment with different variables!"
LOL
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> On Feb 5, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Julio Huato wrote:
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>> C'mon everybody in the U.S. Go out and vote. For Obama, of course.
>> Then keep doing whatever you're doing to advance socialism in the
>> world.
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> I agree with Julio. A walk along Broadway on Sunday let me compare
> the kids campaigning for Obama to the tired old hacks at the Clintons'
> tables.
> No doubt that the "live forces" of any future radicalization have found
> something here to stir them. If they hope that electing Obama or any
> Dumbocrat will produce meaningful change within the capitalist system
> they are surely mistaken: but as the old man said, the youth must have
> the right to make their own mistakes--and learn from them.
>
> By the way, the only reason I'm able to follow Julio's advice is that by
> 1989 I had become so revulsed by Hizzoner Koch that I registered Dumbo
> in order to beat him. The Clinton's are just as puke-arousing as
> Koch, and
> Obama is a far better specimen, even for a Dumbo, than Dinkens. So I
> won't be doing something unprecedented today!
>
>
> Shane Mage
>
> "Thunderbolt steers all things...it consents and does not consent to
> be called Zeus."
>
> Herakleitos of Ephesos
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