yup.
>I've gone back and forth on the issue of
>nationalism. Under different circumstances in the world, I'd be very
>impatient with nationalism. And, of course, the nationalism of the
>oppressors is always repugnant to me. I have an entirely different
>view of the nationalism of the oppressed though. In no case is
>nationalism a supreme value to me. But it is a fact of life we need
>to reckon with. The experience of the last 7 years in this country
>shifted my perspective.
What does nationalism have to do with Dwayne's initial point: he's not persuaded by your claim that Obama's election will contribute to the self-assurance of black people around the globe, any more than he was convinced by the black bible a salesmen told him was good for his self-esteem.
If it's that you believe that a pan-African nationalism is where it's at, then _which_ pan-African nationalism? I'd be a little shocked that there'd be any agreement on Obama among varieties of black nationalist groups. And I'd put cash money down that black nationalist groups with a serious class analysis laragely agree with what I heard in a uhururadio film review of The Great Debaters, that "The Great Debaters is to film what Barack Obama is to the electoral process!" Its function is to, to paraphrase, "reel you back in, make you hope and believe, that getting white people to accept you, getting them to like you, believing that an election will make things better is the answer. And that's what Barack Obama's function is, to reel you back in to the democratic party as the solution. That's what this film does, is make you think that assimilation into capitalism, into colonization as the answer to black liberation. Because the oppressor will never allow you to vote for your own liberation."
you can hear it here: http://uhururadio.com/public_mp3s/2008-01-27-lt.mp3
BTW, you'd asked whether your latest discussion addressed my question about why you mistake position on the career ladder with position on the class ladder. Nope. Need a little more help understand how what you wrote had anything to do with what I asked about -- and what you, yourself, clearly understand.
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