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In re the convo between Dwayne, Charles, and Chuck Grimes, the latest from
^^^^ CB: Yea further thoughts: Are some of the white votes for Obama, Republicans or conservatives who are trying to help Obama win so that Dems will have the weakest candidate ? Despite the polls on November showing O beating McCain, I still say Obama is a weaker candidate than Clinton in the final election; for one thing those polls are subject to Bradley effect questions.
Also, some of the Obama votes from women are from Black women. So, that explains how Clinton loses some of her potential womanly majority. Also, Black women have unique standing to "decide" on priority of vote against sexism or racism, as they are uniquely victims of both. Presumably , Clinton gets most of that vote in November if she gets the nomination.
Black Commentator:
[I, myself, plan on cashing in on this phenom. I'm making some buttons and bumper stickers: Don't Blame Me, I did vote for either of them.]
^^^^^ CB: My bumper sticker responds to yours: Which one ? (smile)
Or I voted for both: one in the primary and the other in November.
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"Many Black Americans and our Brown and Red sisters and brothers will, I fear, come to be deeply disappointed in Barack Obama, once he demonstrates who he really is. There will be no peace or justice under an Obama Presidency, should such come to pass. Even the majority of white Americans, with the exception of the corporate liberals and conservatives, may yet come to realize that Obama's interests are corporate interests; they are not the needs and interests of everyday people, who represent the overwhelming majority of this nation and the world. "
^^^^^ CB: I don't know. Most "rank and file" people of color weren't disappointed in B. Clinton , even if they should have been. Most people of color don't do political analysis on the high level of the Black Commentator. They aren't anti-corporate on the level that this commentator is, so O being "corporate" is not going to matter much to too many Black people or people of color. Anti-corporate candidates don't make it to this level, most people of color know that already , and so won't be "disappointed" that O or Clinton are corporate. That's just not part of the average voters expectation that anybody would be anti-corporate. They already know that money rules.
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" Nevertheless, and despite all of the foregoing, there are those who insist, regarding Barack Obama: "At least he's black!" Is he? What is Blackness and what does it really mean in America?
^^^^^ CB: The poser of this question sort of implies they don't know the answer. Most Black people are not so uncertain about the answer to "what is Blackness and what does it mean in America ? ", so this is not a cogent challenge to O for most Black people. Also, early on in the campaign, O's Blackness was questioned and the current voting by large Black majorities for O has answered that questioning in the affirmative: " Yea, he's Black. We claim him. " End of discussion on this. Black people decide whose Black.
Also , white people decide whose Black by how they treat a person. If O has had normal experience as a person of dark colored skin in America , he's Black enough. He's been initiated into "Blackness in America". This addresses the comments on him being an "African who is an American vs an African American." That can be and in this case seems to be a distinction without a difference, especially since his personal style, speaking accent and ...uh wife are American Black, not African Black.
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And how is being bamboozled, pimped, and disenfranchised by a black person any better than being emaciated by a person of any other color? Think about it as if your very life depends on it, because, ultimately, it may.
^^^^ CB: This commentator doesn't seem to realize that Black people have voted in hundreds of Black politicians who were "corporate" , "bamboozlers" and "pimps" from the standpoint of this commentator. Black people are not so naive as to not realize that O is like most other Black politicians they have voted for. Black people don't think they are voting for a progressive or radical or communist or socialist in this case or all the other votes they vote in this system.
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The January 31, 2008, Daily Sun of Nigeria, in an article entitled, "Barack Obama May Win, But He's No African American," poignantly stated, in relevant part: "There are several fundamental issues that must be clarified to understand the importance of Obama's candidacy. First of all, strictly speaking Barack Obama is not an African-American - but an African who is American. He's not a descendant of the enslaved Africans who built America without reward or respect for their contributions… But there is a side to his character that well-illustrates the differences between himself and the average 'Black American.' For instance, when speaking of his heritage he points proudly to his living relatives [in Kenya]… He doesn't have the burden or challenge of discussing how his ancestors overcame prejudice within the very society he's striving to rule. He doesn't have to refer to the disenfranchisement and dehumanization of his ancestors when he speaks of the legacy that he represents…" Nor does he have or relate to the collective suffering and ongoing struggle of a physically and emotionally brutalized Black America."
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