[lbo-talk] Unproductive labor

Mike Ballard swillsqueal at yahoo.com.au
Fri Feb 15 11:16:12 PST 2008


an:

The failure to understand the point that value has no meaning outside a generalized commodity economy based on market exchange led the Soviets to some disastrous early economic experiments based on attempting to plan on the basis of value. Something like it underlies the silly idea to remunerate labor in a nonmarket context terms or chits for labor time -- Marx actually takes this silly notion on somewhere, I used to know, but it doesn't come to mind, Shane? anyone? -- it's not a new idea. And it won't go away.

Although not officially accepting value theory, Parecon offers a version of this form of compensation which betrays the misunderstanding of the fact, expressed in Marx's value theory, that it is the labor market as part of a generalized system of commodity exchange that enforces an objective meaning on a unit of labor time as socially necessary.

I don't even believe in value theory, why should I have to explain this point to its advocates? ********************** KM's 'silly' notions about labour time
:
<The creation of a large quantity of disposable time apart from necessary labour time for society generally and each of its members (i.e. room for the development of the individuals’ full productive forces, hence those of society also), this creation of not-labour time appears in the stage of capital, as of all earlier ones, as not-labour time, free time, for a few. What capital adds is that it increases the surplus labour time of the mass by all the means of art and science, because its wealth consists directly in the appropriation of surplus labour time; since value directly its purpose, not use value. It is thus, despite itself, instrumental in creating the means of social disposable time, in order to reduce labour time for the whole society to a diminishing minimum, and thus to free everyone’s time for their own development. But its tendency always, on the one side, to create disposable time, on the other, to convert it into surplus labour. If it succeeds too well at the first, then it suffers from surplus production, and then necessary labour is interrupted, because no surplus labour can be realized by capital. The more this contradiction develops, the more does it become evident that the growth of the forces of production can no longer be bound up with the appropriation of alien labour, but that the mass of workers must themselves appropriate their own surplus labour. (N.B. get out your blackberrys, cell phones and endless hours at the office, MB)*Once they have done so – and disposable time thereby ceases to have an antithetical existence – then, on one side, necessary labour time will be measured by the needs of the social individual, and, on the other, the development of the power of social production will grow so rapidly that, even though production is now calculated for the wealth of all, disposable time will grow for all. For real wealth is the developed productive power of all individuals. The measure of wealth is then not any longer, in any way, labour time, but rather disposable time. Labour time as the measure of value posits wealth itself as founded on poverty, and disposable time as existing in and because of the antithesis to surplus labour time; or, the positing of an individual’s entire time as labour time, and his degradation therefore to mere worker, subsumption under labour. The most developed machinery thus forces the worker to work longer than the savage does, or than he himself did with the simplest, crudest tools.*>

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/ch14.htm#p708

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