I think Charles is using Soviet categories.
--- andie nachgeborenen <andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Can we talk about capitalism? It's what Marx mostly
> did. In the 50 vol of the MEW, about 35 of which are
> solely or entirely by Marx, there are perhaps 50
> pages
> total that might be construed to be about
> postcapitalist society. Now, I think the subject
> deserves more attention than the Beard gave it, but
> for once can we talk about his subject, the nature
> of
> bourgeois society?
>
> "Socialism" is not a term that the Beard used to
> describe any transitional period. (Nor is "full
> communism" or any such term an expression he uses to
> describe a post transitional period.) In the CGP, he
> talks about the lower and the higher stages of
> communism. The passage I quoted was prefactory to a
> discussion of the principles of distribution in
> communism -- starting with the lower stage, still
> stamped with the birthmarks of the the society from
> which it emerged. But even there, the producers do
> not
> exchange their products and the concept of value
> does
> not apply. The way that the old society lingers on
> in
> in the retention of the concept of justice, similar
> treatment for similarly situated people. Marx says
> this will have no application in the higher phase of
> communism, when the fetters that restrain production
> even in the lower phase have been shattered and
> abundance reigns. Analytically Marx thinks that
> there
> really are no similarly situated people, so the
> higher
> communist ideal (needs/abilities) is more consonant
> with human nature and social reality. Value,
> however,
> was abolished at the start of the lower phase of
> communism,a long with markers.
>
> Let's step back and talk about unproductive labor in
> capitalism, PLEASE?
>
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