[lbo-talk] Obama & the white guys

Charles Brown charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us
Wed Feb 20 10:49:55 PST 2008


So unless you or others on this list can procure *valid* evidence (not just a few example, whose existence I already acknowledged) to the contrary I simply remain unconvinced about the claims of pervasive and structural racism (as opposed to individual bigotry) in the US. I think the US is remarkably free of such formal constraints in comparison to other countries, even EU (cf. Germany that bars many pople born there from attaining citizenship.)

Wojtek

^^^^ CB; I answered you below. I gave you the whole nine yards of structural racism. Your ignoring my answer is an example of individual racism

Miles
> the fact that racism is a
> integral element of all
> social institutions in the U. S. (e.g., religion,
> education, politics,
> economy, family).

[Ws:] Can you demonstrate that "fact" in a matter of fact manner? Seriously, I'd rather go with Obama's 10% figure, which is of course a figure of speech, than with the above statement that surely looks like bombastic hyperbole.

Wojtek

^^^^^ CB: Take a look at all the measures of quantity and quality of life, morbidity and mortality, life expectancy, income, wealth, education and just about all find Black people with lower "scores" than whites as groups. I say this is caused by racism, or as Miles puts it racism as integral to all social institutions. Some say it's in the genes. What do you say ?

Also, the census makes the claim that there is significant residential segregation by race.

Then marriage and relationships are generally endogamous by race. Churches are segregated by race, in general. Rarely do Black elected officials represent majority white jurisdictions.

Your expertise is better than mine I believe , Wojtek, in readily finding the statistics in all the above "factual" categories.



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